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There is a war on ordinary people and feminists are needed at the front : Comments

By John Pilger, published 7/6/2013

With honourable exceptions, the bourgeois media club relegates and distracts from the fact that a full-blooded class war is under way.

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don't be silly,anti, it is people who do things. sometimes money helps but in the current dynamic it is like cream on coffee, it dissolves, is tasteless and only changes appearance. ie it changes colour it doesn't change the fundamental.
Posted by imajulianutter, Saturday, 8 June 2013 7:52:07 PM
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Anticeptic, money is just not social energy. It is the medium of exchange that should not created as debt,by a few Central Banking parasites.

For the last 300 yrs a few elites have owned the very essence of our creativity and productivity by creating from nothing the money to equal it. We are their debt bitches seem to have no plan to be free of their oppression.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 8 June 2013 8:03:43 PM
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It's the difference between a stochastic result and a deterministic event. Individuals interact and exchange social energy depending on their individual states, influenced by the total amount of social energy and the entropy of the social structure. It's deterministic and effectively unpredictable from the system dynamics since so many things affect it.

However, the average of all individual interactions is predictable from the amount of financial energy contained within the system as a whole. It's a stochastic result and is robust.

I'm hypothesising, of course, extrapolating by analogy with other such dynamical systems. It seems to me that one of the most promising developments in sociology and psychology is the description of social interactions in dynamical terms. It's far from being out of the cradle, but it is what will let it emerge from the chaos of determinism.

At the individual level, it is important to understand what drives the specific processes in the interaction, but at the societal level it is important to be able to predict the impact of gross economic and other changes. I think that dynamics is the only way to go and I'd love to see some significant effort made to understand the kinetics, which would enable quantitative predictions to be made.
Posted by Antiseptic, Saturday, 8 June 2013 8:20:12 PM
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Arjay, think of the debt creation as an energy gradient generated by interaction with a large energy source that is able to convert some of its entropy into social energy which can be transferred and recovered over time from the system with a slight net increase due to the social heat (interest) that is also absorbed. The net result of all such transactions over time is that the bank becomes more entropic or complex as it absorbs enough heat to change it's state.

The rest of the system becomes slightly less financially energetic, but the gradients produced by the bank's activity allow financial energy to be transferrd locally at a greater rate, so the cooling is not general. If the social energy is used to make physical energy available for transfer outside the system, then the transfer of social energy back in would compensate for the loss of interest heat, but if it's just used to transfer social energy internally, then the system has a net loss to the bank's entropy.

In other words, taking out a loan allows the borrower to do more, but the overall economy is slightly worse off unless the loan does work that brings money in from outside.
Posted by Antiseptic, Saturday, 8 June 2013 8:43:36 PM
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While people are trying to keep up with mortgage payments they are too busy to revolt against what are creeping intrusions on their privacy, liberty and on democratic participation. There is a growing lack of transparency, restriction of information, punishemnt of whistleblowers and incursions on democracy.

The real war, if one wants to label it as such, is about who influences government. At the moment the influence is weighted too heavily in favour of those with power and money. The 1% vis a vis the Occupy movement.

To a large extent governments have forgotten about the people they represent, who elected them and to whom they are accountable.
Posted by pelican, Sunday, 9 June 2013 3:19:22 PM
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pelican,

Agree with your paras one and three.

Para two doesn't matter, they are all as bad as one another.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 9 June 2013 10:37:00 PM
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