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What price carbon? : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 19/4/2013

Emissions allowances lend themselves easily to rorts of various kinds, and to activities that make sense only because there is an emissions trading scheme.

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not only is this tax fraudulent but a grade 3 student could handle finances better than this Government. They have not a clue.How is their still 30% of voters so ignorant. Oh thats right most of them are in the trough provided by tax payers.
Posted by runner, Friday, 19 April 2013 11:53:18 AM
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What price carbon?
Don Aitkin,
how much does Australia need to get out of Labor's debt ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 19 April 2013 5:58:32 PM
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A number of industries have already converted their operations to low or neutral carbon.
Many abattoirs, have simply covered the effluent ponds, to collect and use the methane they produce, to power their operations in whole or part.
Even without a carbon tax, this change makes complete commercial sense.
We also are looking at converting some of our power to NG.
Burn Gas in central power stations, and then push it down wires, so we the consumers can have the pleasure of paying double, and or, creating twice the carbon we need to make, just to keep some foreign operator, rolling in our money!
And pay yet again for all the aging poles and wires that need to be replaced, or gold plated, in order to keep the grid, we have been conned, I believe, into believing, is the most efficient way to reticulate electricity.
Tell that to those people who saw their towns razed to the ground by wild fires, started some believe, by rotting poles falling over in high winds, and starting unstoppable fires.
Just imagine if those same towns had their own small power stations, as reticulated NG, powering super silent ceramic fuel cells.
The wind could blow a veritable gale and no wires would be blown down.
If we are going to convert most of power supply to NG, why not directly at the home or business premise, where the energy coefficient, created by a combination of NG and ceramic fuel cells, is as high as 72%.
Compare that with coal fired power of just 20% max, and one can see considerable savings.
Compare the super silent ceramic fuel cell, with few if any moving parts to wear out, with very expensive to maintain turbines and incredibly expensive transmission line roll-outs, replete with oil filled transformers, which are routinely subject to lightening strikes and or overheating!
And the comparison and total costs further widen, even much faster than inflation or NATURAL cost.
No cogent case can be mounted for keeping what we have now, when local supply paradigms, as outlined, beckon!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Saturday, 20 April 2013 12:15:48 PM
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Footnote: Or convert all our biological waste into biogas,(methane) in smell free digesters.
And use that source of basically endlessly sustainable free fuel (scrubbed) to power the same ceramic fuel cells!
Stored in simple bladders, (much cheaper than batteries) biogas can supply on demand ceramic cell electricity and endlessly available, free hot water.
[Once the infrastructure costs are fully recovered, the resulting power supply is virtually free?]
The FREE hot water, could be used to heat our pools or (reverse cycle) heat/cool our homes, if we also use solar hot water systems?
Adding food scraps or wastage, creates a saleable energy surplus, or recharges the family's/residents' electric vehicle(s).
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Saturday, 20 April 2013 12:42:39 PM
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Fuel cells for use in buses with cng did not turn out to have an economic life time.
Maybe things are changing though and it could be a goer.
Still with such high production decline rates, 60%/yr, we could be out
of gas before the transition was made
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 20 April 2013 3:13:48 PM
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buses with cng did not turn out to have an economic life time.
Bazz,
Like in most situations people have become so impatient that if an idea in the morning isn't providing handsome dividends by smoko then it's not working.
get these morons to live off their own initiative & revenue & see how they're going.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 20 April 2013 4:53:31 PM
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