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Should we force fluoride? : Comments

By Emily McAuliffe, published 18/4/2013

Fluoridation is the perfect example of an ethical dilemma, as there are convincing advocates for and against. How do we know who to believe?

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Fluoridation is an absolute Fraud.

After decades of widespread fluoridation Australia wide in dental crisis - headlines such as DENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM IN DECAY - Dr Deborah Cole is chief executive officer of Dental Health Services Victoria/ REPORT WARNS $10B NEEDED TO FIX DENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM February 28, 2012 & many more.

Reputations & credibility will suffer if any of you continue with this chronic poisoning of the population & environment with these hazardous waste pollutants known as 'water fluoridation'. Many ask why are Dentists & their interests (not to mention Corporate sponsored Dental Schools at Universities) fighting to the death to force to keep &/or add these dangerously corrosive hazardous waste pollutants in our water supplies ( & hence food chain) if it is supposed to be so effective & reduce caries by 60% - because it is not effective & not safe - these pollutants fluorosilicic acid, hexafluorosilicate being used in many industries such as glass etching, wood preservative, sterilization, electroplating, acidizing, rust removal in textile field, lead refining, tanneries, fluorosilicate salt, in veterinary fields to combat insect infestation. Now how any of you could be so gullible, complacent or dare I say uncaring that you ignore this & continue to put the population in Harm's Way, you will live to regret such a shocking & negligent decision. We must all take action for the health & safety of our population & call an immediate & irrevocable ban.
Posted by Diane Drayton Buckland, Monday, 22 April 2013 2:01:10 PM
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WATER FLUORIDATION AS MASS MEDICATION
Douglas Cross CSci. CBiol. FSB

7th April, 2013

Conclusions
Fluoridated water therefore is a medicine, it is supplied with the intent to medicate entire communities, and it does constitute mass medication, even if few - or even no - members of those communities are actually in need of the intervention, or are capable of benefiting from it.

Since fluoridated water is a medicinal water, it is not ‘water intended for human consumption’, and the water quality criteria applied to drinking water do not apply to fluoridated water, leaving the public legally unprotected against non-compliance with any other parametric water quality standard.

And since its supply, in the absence of a relevant licence, to individuals who do not consent to what is effectively State-imposed coercion or recruitment, it is in violation of the fundamental right of individuals to control their physical autonomy, this form of mass medication incompatible with the fundamental principles of human rights legislation and in gross breach of medical ethics.

© Douglas Cross, Ulverston, Cumbria, UK

Full document: > http://www.xproexperts.co.uk/expertarticles/3422-1365362130_Water%20Fluoridation%20as%20Mass%20Medication.pd
Posted by Diane Drayton Buckland, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 2:53:14 PM
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apologies on my previous posting the end of the url was missing:-

WATER FLUORIDATION AS MASS MEDICATION
Douglas Cross CSci. CBiol. FSB

7th April, 2013

Conclusions
Fluoridated water therefore is a medicine, it is supplied with the intent to medicate entire communities, and it does constitute mass medication, even if few - or even no - members of those communities are actually in need of the intervention, or are capable of benefiting from it.

Since fluoridated water is a medicinal water, it is not ‘water intended for human consumption’, and the water quality criteria applied to drinking water do not apply to fluoridated water, leaving the public legally unprotected against non-compliance with any other parametric water quality standard.

And since its supply, in the absence of a relevant licence, to individuals who do not consent to what is effectively State-imposed coercion or recruitment, it is in violation of the fundamental right of individuals to control their physical autonomy, this form of mass medication incompatible with the fundamental principles of human rights legislation and in gross breach of medical ethics.

© Douglas Cross, Ulverston, Cumbria, UK

Full document: > http://www.xproexperts.co.uk/expertarticles/3422-1365362130_Water%20Fluoridation%20as%20Mass%20Medication.pdf
Posted by Diane Drayton Buckland, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:24:15 PM
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Diane,

Having looked at the available information, I feel that the argument against fluoridation is pure quackery. To quote:

"To determine precisely what amount of fluoride in the water would prevent decay without causing staining. Dr. H. Trendley Dean traced the dental status of 7,000 children who drank naturally fluoridated water in 21 cities in four states. In 1943, he reported that the ideal amount of fluoride was one part per million parts of water. This concentration was demonstrated to result in healthy, attractive teeth that had one-third as many cavities as might otherwise be expected—and no staining.

The next step was to determine whether water engineering could copy nature's amazing dental health benefit. At several test sites, the fluoride concentration of the public water supply was adjusted to one part per million.

One such test was conducted in Newburgh and Kingston, New York. First, the children in both cities were examined by dentists and physicians; then fluoride was added to Newburgh's water supply. After ten years, the children of Newburgh had 58% fewer decayed teeth than those of nonfluoridated Kingston. The greatest benefits were obtained by children who had drunk the fluoridated water since birth. Other studies showed that teeth made stronger by fluoride during childhood would remain permanently resistant to decay. As the evidence supporting fluoridation accrued, thousands of communities acted to obtain its benefits.

Fluoridation opponents like to cite CDC statistics showing that the incidence of fluorosis among adolescents aged 12-15 rose from 22.6% in 1986-87 to 40.7% in 1999-2004. Taken by itself, that statement is factual but misleading. Questionable, very mild, and mild fluorosis and most cases of moderate fluorosis are barely visible and pose no problem whatsoever. In addition, it's been shown that teeth with fluorosis are more resistant to decay than teeth without fluorosis. The teeth may appear whiter than otherwise, but they are neither unattractive nor structurally damaged. Moreover, many people think that extra whiteness make the teeth more attractive. Severe fluorosis that adversely affects both appearance and function is close to zero among people who drink water that is optimally fluoridated."
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:42:43 PM
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Continued:

"Fluoridation opponents like to cite CDC statistics showing that the incidence of fluorosis among adolescents aged 12-15 rose from 22.6% in 1986-87 to 40.7% in 1999-2004. Taken by itself, that statement is factual but misleading. Questionable, very mild, and mild fluorosis and most cases of moderate fluorosis are barely visible and pose no problem whatsoever. In addition, it's been shown that teeth with fluorosis are more resistant to decay than teeth without fluorosis. The teeth may appear whiter than otherwise, but they are neither unattractive nor structurally damaged. Moreover, many people think that extra whiteness make the teeth more attractive. Severe fluorosis that adversely affects both appearance and function is close to zero among people who drink water that is optimally fluoridated.

In recent years, fluoridation has been reducing the incidence of cavities 20% to 40% in children and 15% to 35% in adults. The reduction is less than it used to be, probably due to improved dental hygiene and widespread use of fluoride toothpaste. Currently, more than 200 million Americans live in fluoridated communities. But many others receive public water supplies that are not fluoridated—thanks largely to the efforts of poisonmongers.

The basic technique is the big lie. It is simple to use, yet surprisingly effective. It consists of claiming that fluoridation causes cancer, heart and kidney disease, and other serious ailments that people fear. The fact that there is no supporting evidence for such claims does not matter. The trick is to keep repeating them—because if something is said often enough, people tend to think there must be some truth to it.

A variation is the laundry list. List enough "evils," and even if proponents can reply to some of them, they will never be able to cover the entire list. This technique is most effective in debates, letters to the editor, and television news reports. Another variation is the simple statement that fluoridation doesn't work. Although recent studies show less difference than there used to be, the Public Health Service estimates that every dollar spent for community fluoridation saves about fifty dollars in dental bills."
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:46:30 PM
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The continuing fraud and conflicts of interests in water fluoridation/pollution dictatorship is obscene:

Fluoridation & The Web Of Deceit. - Conflicts of Interests

The Girl Against Fluoride
Independent Researcher and Activist - Ireland –

Professor Denis O Mullane is Vice Chairperson of the Executive Committee of the Irish Expert Body of fluorides & health.

Although he calls himself "an independent objective research worker in the field of Dental Public Health", this man has promoted water fluoridation around the world for many years. He has pushed water fluoridation in South Africa along with Seamus Hickey.

Despite Mr Mullane's pro fluoride bias, in 2002 Michael Martin gave him a grant estimated at a million to investigate the benefits and risks of water fluoridation.

The British Fluoridation Society includes Denis Mullane in their information leaflets. He is also connected with the British Nutrition Foundation - this was set up in the 1960's by sugar & pharmaceutical companies such as Tate and Lyle ltd, Cadburys, Proctor & Gamble. Denis Mullane's uncle was chief chemist of Irish Sugar Company.

Mr Mullane is part of a group rewriting a document on "Fluorides and Oral Health", for the WHO. This is one of the men who continues to say that water fluoridation is safe & yet the chemicals used in water fluoridation in Ireland were banned for their use as a wood preservative.

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http://www.hotpress.com/politics/frontlines/Judgement-That-Permitted-Fluoridation-Of-Water-May-Have-Been-Unsound/9708554.html
Posted by Diane Drayton Buckland, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 6:36:21 PM
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