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Never mind the leadership, what about the Opposition? : Comments

By Scott Prasser, published 26/3/2013

Politics and government in our adversarial system are not about holding hands in agreement like at some university seminar.

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The main problem with the present and former ALP is that they habe not and will not listen to THE PEOPLE, as the people clearly want Rudd.

Now while I am not suggesting that that's a good thing, it's clearly what the people want, and after all, labor's problems have pretty much come from when the faceless men went away from what the people wanted (by axing Rudd) and set about their own agendas.

Now nit only has this arrogant approach damaged the labor brand, but it has done untold damage to future labor, as the only way back for them is to place trust in a future leader and have the faceless men pull their heads in.

Rache...It's a crazy world when the ALP is using an ETS (ie Market Forces) to address the carbon issue and the LNP is using a socialist approach (handing out taxpayer money to polluters).

I think you have your wires crossed there, as we have no ETS.

As for handing out money to polluters, just remember one very, very important fact, that being that while energy generators and large service providers may be generating emmisioms, they are doing so to provide energy and logistics FOR US.

On top of this they are also creating hundreds of thousands of jobs, jobs that are at risk, if the cost of business becomes unviable.

Climate change is the responsibility of THE END USER not the generator, because the best way to reduce emmisioms is to reduce consumption.

However, having said this, I still maintain the answer lies in dealing with Co2 rather than just trying to reduce it.
Posted by rehctub, Thursday, 28 March 2013 5:44:29 AM
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JF Aus

Politics is about winning the election, especially for the opposition (regardless who it is).

Your issues are nothing to to with Abbott who needs to do very little, its the ALP who has to lift its game, they are the ones who have failed to govern for all and have openly displayed disunity.

If Abbott wins and fails to deliver the same electorate will judge him the same way they are judging Gillard, regardless of his current strategy. He needs to do very little ..... Gillard needs to repair 5 years of incompetence in 4-5 months.
Posted by RightSaidFred, Thursday, 28 March 2013 6:41:39 AM
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rehctub

They want Rudd as they elected him pretty overwhelmingly against a very strong PM in Howard .... then the ALP back stabbed him which gives him sympathy votes. Given the ALP was already going backwards, Gillard took them back to the stone-age on policy and brought a new level of lying and incompetence I have never seen.

I don't think an ETS will ever work as the carbon price (which I agree on with the greens) needs to be over $100/tonne. In Europe the ETS has collapse yet the ALP wanted a floor price of $23 / tonne over double what it is in Europe and over 6X what it is in China.

The ETS is a free market mechanism that just won't work, a small price just get absorbed much like speed cameras with no behaviour change.

It acts more like wealth redistribution as opposed to an env measure, I call it basic revenue raising.

Climate change is mostly caused by factors the users can not influence, all they can do is minimise foot prints , not reverse climate change.

The ambit claims from people like flannery suggests that these climate change proponents have stuffed up their message and science..... which is unfortunate as I like the theory just not the people saying it and their highly inaccurate assertions.
Posted by RightSaidFred, Thursday, 28 March 2013 6:58:11 AM
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More of the current insane, the Government keeps saying Abbot, Abbot, Abbot and generally acting like the opposition, and then the their ABC (et al) keeps asking what is the Opposition going to do. The correct form is what is the Government going to to do and in any situation it is Gillard, Gillard, Gillard (the PM, you know the one with all the levers).

There are 1000++ dead trying to boat it here, ask Gillard, not the opposition. She wins the next election; is the death rate going to be the same, more or less?
Posted by McCackie, Friday, 29 March 2013 9:57:42 AM
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Yes McCackie, and more importantly, if they do have a solution (very doubtful) why have they waited over five years to implement it, remembering, MOST IMPORTANTLY that it wasn't broken before one K Rudd came to play.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 29 March 2013 11:10:57 AM
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RightSaidFred,
If politics was truly about winning an election, the people would surely vote for the party proposing a new productive and viable and employment and business and export generating project/s.
I think politics at present is about self and crony interests.

The issues I am coming forward with are from ocean exploration and they are very much to do with Abbott. The problems are varied and a leader is needed to find new resources for various agency teamwork.
TA has been put where he is now by John Howard who led razor gang management to balance budgets while banning plastic bags instead of sewage nutrient pollution.
Howard was informed about marine problems, he responded with fishing license buyback and aquaculture policy, not ocean ecosystem management.

There is reason for 7 dead whales on Frazer Island in a 2 years period, have you heard about that and the actual real cause? Why do you think Australia is importing over 70% of fish product?
http://www.frasercoastchronicle.com.au/news/beached-whale-calf-one-seven/1458287/

Mr Abbott is in my next door (Bronwyn B) electorate. His electorate dumps un-managed and unmeasured sewage nutrient loads from North Head into the ocean every day.
Besides, Lake Burley Griffin is choked with nutrient pollution.

TA will not talk with the people either. The system of government management of the economy and environment and people is broken down.

I am not a knocker. I am pro development of real solutions to fix problems.
For example based on evidence of substance I consider nutrients in sewage should be harnessed to feed algae for conversion to biofuel.
Return lower cost nutrients to farmers at the same time.

The world is not flat and there surely was a time when people were scared or reluctant to talk about it being round.
These days it's CO2 nonsense about AGW and even scientists are scared or reluctant to openly talk due concern being blacklisted for research resources and income to feed their family.

Politicians in general should be proposing and leading actions toward solutions to social and environment and economic problems, instead of hanging about schools and holding babies.
Posted by JF Aus, Friday, 29 March 2013 12:12:56 PM
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