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False reassurances: Tasmania's Abortion Information Paper : Comments

By Babette Francis, published 19/3/2013

The new Tasmanian abortion bill appears to criminalise dissent to abortion.

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''Unborn children' is an emotive oxymoron. A fetus may or may not become a child.'

yes David f and the Nazis changed the definition of human also. It was still murder no how some smart pseudo scieintist changes the defintion of a child.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 12:57:29 PM
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>>Clause 9 of this horrendous legislation penalises any protest in relation to the killing of viable unborn babies within 150 metres of an abortion facility.<<

So in other words: people are free to criticise and protest the legislation as much they like as long as they're more than 150m away from an abortion clinic when they do so. That's hardly what you'd call a draconian clampdown of free speech.

Cheers,

Tony
Posted by Tony Lavis, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 1:04:42 PM
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Dear runner,

The Nazis were very much against abortion. Their idea for women was, "kinder, kirche, kuche." Children to grow up to be soldiers or producers of soldiers. Church to stupefy their minds. Cooking to provide sustenance for males of the master race.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 1:18:33 PM
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Legislating against abortion protests on the doorsteps of abortion clinics is long overdue. No one would be prevented from conducting a civil protest in the town square or outside parliament house so what's the problem? The truth is that anti-abortion protests are purely and simply a blatant act of intimidation and harassment, primarily targeting the women who attend the clinic. Calling yourself a "sidewalk counsellor" and trying to preach, frighten, intimidate, and persuade women and their partners as they walk towards the clinic doesn't legitimise harassment either. You have to ask, is the protest targeting the general public, policy makers, or is it designed to upset individual women and turn them away from the clinic?

Civil protests are usually conducted against government or against corporations. A protest group specifically targeting a few private citizens is gutless and unlawful. The fact that the anti-abortion protesters are so upset about possibly being denied the right to stand at the entrance of a termination clinic clearly demonstrates that their motives are to intimidate and shame the women attending. How is this their "right"?

Yes, our right to conduct civil protests is important but our individual rights to go about our business in privacy and without interference is deserving of protection.
Posted by crumpethead, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 1:33:23 PM
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David, the terms "unborn children" and "the child before as well as after birth" are an irrevocable part of the legal language of the foundation documents of modern international human rights law. It is not valid now to replace these terms with the medical textbook term "the foetus" and then claim that "the foetus" has no right to legal protection under human rights law. Applying dehumanizing language to those human beings whom we want exterminated is a very old ploy, very cleverly applied in the pogroms of last century.

It is futile to pretend that procured abortion does not destroy a lively, growing new human being. Both reason and science confirm that the unborn child is already in existence, being protected and nurtured in his/her mother's womb. With astonishing accuracy, we can locate the child within definite co-ordinates of space and time. The child in his/her mother’s womb is not a generic, anonymous foetus. We can identify the child's father, and whether the child is a son or a daughter. We can ascertain long before birth that the child is a unique member of the human family, biologically, genetically, and genealogically.
The right to legal protection "before as well as after birth" remains one of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family proclaimed by the International Bill of Rights as the foundation of justice in the world.

No one may destroy that right, nor deprive any human being of that right, nor transfer that right, nor renounce it—that’s what inalienable means.

And when the International Bill of Rights goes on to say that it is essential…that human rights should be protected by the rule of law, it is clear that no one may remove the human rights of the unborn child from the protection required by the rule of law. The term "no one" means no legislature, no judiciary, not even those august personages, Tasmania’s politicians —none of these has the authority to de-recognize and then violate the human rights of any human being, big or small, born or unborn.
Posted by RitaJ, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 1:52:03 PM
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I find it fascinating that the Male post's on here are all Pro Choice. Why is that I wonder? And why is an unborn Baby's life worth any less than a birthed one? Do any of you actually know how an Abortion procedure is carried out? What they do to the unborn baby? Maybe you should all do some research it's horrific!! Maybe you should all go and thank your Mothers for not Aborting you!!
As for the misrepresentation of what actually happens at a 'Protest' outside an Abortion Clinic I think you've all been watching too much Television.
None of you are even considering the perspective of women who thought they had no other option's but to kill their baby's, but were lucky enough to be intercepted by one of these 'evil protesters' before they went through with a decision that would have ruined the rest of their lives and enabled them to realise that this is not the only option.
Sorry guy's but you are not the ones that have to go through the procedure and live with the consequences!!
Posted by Flea77, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 2:02:43 PM
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