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The greatest human impact of all : Comments

By Julian Cribb, published 18/1/2013

While climate change has grabbed the media and policy limelight there is another, far larger, human impact on ourselves, on Planet Earth and on all life in it.

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Of course the basis is relevant ybgirp, without this fraudulent basis we would not have the completely useless lowering of emissions, done at great cost, for no result.

We would not have carbon tax, taxpayer funding of detrimental nonsense like wind farms and solar. We would not have a destructive policy on land use.

We would recognize our good fortune in having a plentifule supply of cheap energy in the form of copious coal deposits, and activists would have even less excuse for their behaviour, which is based on the false assertion that human emissions have any significance in climate.

Think it through ybgirp, before you make off the cuff remarks.
Posted by Leo Lane, Friday, 25 January 2013 11:56:14 AM
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Breakthrough! There is No Global Warming - no, just unpredictable extremes of hot and cold across the globe, averaging to a nice balmy normal; and unpredictable extremes of wet and dry, averaging again to a nice, seasonally adjusted, Normal. Wow. Problem solved. Weird climate, but no real change in averages, means or medians, so, heck, we're all fine, off the hook. That was scary, just for a minute.

The Earth's just fine, iPads and population (human) booming, mining and construction going gangbusters; getting rid of useless forests to make way for precious palm oil and chick peas; also getting rid of useless critters, like elephants, lions and rhinos, which rip the food out of the very mouths of our much more important cattle and sheep, or, worse still, kill and eat them! Monstrous. And, as for whales (cockroaches of the sea), eating all that plankton our, I say Our, fish depend upon, or, worse still, Eating Our Fish. Deplorable. (Some people may eventually have to do without their daily dose of tiger penis soup, but, hey, that's life.)

Tons of coal and oil at our disposal (and uranium as a backup - or the Holy Grail), and between the Particle Accelerator, the Hubble Telescope and String Theory, we are only inches away from uncovering the great mystery of the Universe, the big Why. Gosh, we're so smart, it just makes you want to weep.

Polluting the Planet? You've got to be joking. We're just clearing the decks to make way for more institutes of higher learning and/or jacuzzis; and, what the heck, our medicos and scientists will save us from anything Really harmful. Belief, my friend, have faith in the ultimate infallibility of Us. Gosh, we're so cool.

50% of food being wasted? Yipes, we've got room for another 8 billion, so we're laughing. Wot, me worry? Bollocks.
Posted by Saltpetre, Friday, 25 January 2013 2:39:41 PM
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Leo, some of my skepticism comes from the use of computer models and
for something like weather and climate and then 50 years into the
future seems very fragile to me.
Then, the refusal to use the Upsalla Global Energy Groups figures for
available oil, coal & gas seems to make it a case of blind mans bluff.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 25 January 2013 3:53:05 PM
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Here's a shocking news item -
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/exclusive-billionaires-secretly-fund-attacks-on-climate-science-8466312.html
Who would have thought it
Posted by Candide, Friday, 25 January 2013 6:01:18 PM
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Kjell Aleklett has grossly underestimated the non-conventional 'oil' fraction, but you don't/won't acknowledge that, Bazz.

Anyway, please enlighten, what actual experience have you had with, in your words, "use of computer models and for something like weather and climate".

Which computer models, to be more specific?
Posted by qanda, Friday, 25 January 2013 7:07:25 PM
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Interesting link, Candide - Voltaire would be laughing at the Panglossian response of governments and society to our problems - The oceans are over fished so let's allow a super trawler to clear out Australia's fisheries too. We're running out of food and air pollution from burning coal and other hydrocarbons is killing and making sick millions of people world wide, so we're going to destroy a few thousand hectares of farmland so we can sell tens of thousands more tonnes of coal to the polluters. There's a plague of dementia in old people who are clogging nursing homes because the government won't let them die, no matter how they plead.
And the 'Anonymous donors' have won the climate change war, it's far too late now for any human action, even if we knew what to do.
We can't even elect parliamentarians who will do the best for the country, they spend their time fighting instead of thinking, learning and governing wisely.
Posted by ybgirp, Friday, 25 January 2013 8:57:54 PM
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