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It’s time to come clean on Muslims and the west : Comments

By Mohamad Tabbaa, published 26/9/2012

So many people, on all sides, have unanswered questions and are experiencing feelings of anger, confusion, anxiety and frustration.

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I keep coming back to this paradox. We are continually harangued by the PC crowd that we cannot lump all Muslims together. Yet isnt that exactly what Mohamad Tabbaa : <<what are Muslims so angry about?; why have Muslims chosen to express themselves in this manner?>>

And the sources he cites do: <<The argument put forward by the liberal-secularist is …The Muslim argues…>>
[Amjid Muhammad] http://m.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/western-freedom-to-insult-can-look-a-lot-like-hypocrisy-20120924-26haw.html

They presume to hold the master franchise to/for the Muslim identity--and perhaps they do?

If I had to bet on who was viewing the world through rose coloured glasses I'd wager it is more likely to be our PC commissars.
Posted by SPQR, Friday, 28 September 2012 7:55:39 AM
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Houser; is there a point to your linking to this incoherent video about how Westerners are converting to islam?

SPQR; one of the forms of apology for islam made by the "PC commissars" is indeed how varied and diverse islam is.

The opposite is true; how could it be otherwise; islam is based on a rigid text and its purpose is to homogenise the host societies; that these host societies are diverse initially is where the basis of this lie that islam is diverse comes from.

But there is no difference; just shades of grey.

Another canard is the moderate muslim; islam is not a moderate religion; how can a practitioner be moderate when their faith is fundamentalist? They can't; what happens, as with the riots, is that a minority are physically active against the legal and social framework of the host country while the majority of islam are seen to be peaceful.

Does this mean that majority do not share the same beliefs as the violent majority; does it mean the majority do not want sharia to be introduced; does it mean the majority want interaction with non-believers?

Our "PC commissars" are betraying the Western values which prevail in Australia because they cannot or won't accept the truth of islam. At the risk of being dramatic, the next 5 years in Australia are going to be very tough.
Posted by cohenite, Friday, 28 September 2012 8:39:25 AM
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Graham Y
"Some of you seem just as angry as the protesters. Why this is so is worth a discussion in itself. Afterall, I don't remember this level of anger when unions committed acts of violence, for example during the waterside dispute, or the S11 protesters did the same thing. And we are all members of the relatively powerful groups in society."

My hypotheses on this is twofold:
Firstly, the feeling of belonging to Australia is stronger than the feeling of belonging to a class. In short, national sentiments override class sentiments. (This gets proved often in wartime where people will forget their class and join in the national effort to defeat the enemy, much to the chagrin of the Marxists).

Secondly, (this point is actually connected to the first) political Islam is deemed as foreign to the culture, whereas class struggle is deemed internal to the culture. As much as the ordinary folk may dislike violent union protests, they can actually see the rationale behind it; that of better working conditions. With Islam it is totally different, it desires submission to Allah. Ordinary folk have no time for submission to a god from another culture.

What the 'outrage' from Australians shows is that the instinct of belonging (commonly referred to as nationalism) is still alive and well. This instinct is deeply instantiated in humans, because it constitutes one of our most fundamental needs: the need for belonging, the need for a home, the need to be wanted, to be loved etc. No amount of social engineering will eradicate this instinct. All that changes is the group association, not the instinct itself.
Posted by Aristocrat, Friday, 28 September 2012 2:55:21 PM
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How come we have this problem ?
We have never had a problem like this with other migrant groups.
Some criminal problems such as the Griffith mafia but generally no
hint that we are the problem.

Why should we bother ? If they don't like the way we are go away !
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 1 October 2012 6:38:37 PM
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