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The dreadful dilemma over Iran : Comments

By Julie Bishop, published 16/8/2012

Reports from Israel confirm that the government is actively considering its options and this is the subject of public debate.

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The first option seems the rational one Julie!
But when has the leadership in Iran been seen to be rational, or charting a course for peaceful co-existence?
Israel's dilemma is further compounded by the still unresolved Palestinian conundrum, which it needs to address and entirely resolve, before it considers any of its options with regard to Iran?
Iran doesn't seem to be hurt by the sanctions; given it is still able to export most of its oil production?
Iran seems to hate both Israel and America, with a rare passion and may well be willing to attack a now nearly bankrupt USA with a pre-emptive strike with a nuclear missile?
Believing that a bankrupt America wouldn't respond at this time, for fear of a sabre rattling Russia?
Or go beyond a very robust rhetorical response etc, for fear of a full blown nuclear conflict?
We for our part would be very wise to isolate ourselves as a completely neutral Island of sanity; in a world gone mad?
And set forth with all possible haste, to secure our own energy independence ASAP, without which we would be virtually defenceless and face extreme hardship, economic collapse and Great Depression like conditions, should either the Straights of Homuz or and the Suez canal be either threatened or closed.
Besides, we need our own very low cost energy independence to fully resuscitate our almost terminal manufacturing sector and indeed what remains of our home-based defence industries.
As always, the best strategy is to hope for the best and prepare for the worst!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 16 August 2012 11:48:33 AM
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Iran is believed to be developing a long range ballistic missile capable of striking anywhere in Israel. It is also believed that Iran is developing a nuclear warhead for these long range missiles, the time frame for completion is said to be about six weeks.
Israel appears to be debating/contemplating an airstrike on these nuclear warhead/missile sites which they believe must take place within this time frame.
It is also believed the US navy has stepped up its presence in the Persian and Oman Gulfs by the positioning of aircraft carriers to the region.
Observers believe that Israel will deliver the missile base airstrike within the six week time frame, whilst the presence of the increased US navy will deter Iran from serious retaliation escalation on the surrounding Gulf countries and Israel.
This cat and mouse diplomacy is very unsettling for the region and the
world generally, the question asked:-
"Will Australia become involved? Is it in Australia's interests to become involved? Bearing in mind China is Irans largest trading partner"?
Posted by Jack from Bicton, Thursday, 16 August 2012 1:54:05 PM
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The author of this piece is the Australian politician who claimed that the Australian Government had been guilty of forging the passports of other countries. This was meant as a defense for Israel forging Australian passports in one of its extra judicial assassinations.

It is known that Israel has between 75 and 400 nuclear warheads with the capacity to deliver them, and that it is the 5th largest nuclear systems power in the world. It is also known that Israel is not a signatory of the Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

Israel has a history of attacking other countries.

Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. Iran is a signatory of the NPT. Iran does not have a history of attacking other countries.

If Iran did in the future develop the capacity to produce and deliver a nuclear weapon what are the chances that it would use it against Israel when the likely result would be retaliation from Israel and possibly the USA resulting in the annihilation of their country and its people?

If Israel and other nuclear powered countries want to deter others from developing this capacity, a good starting point would be for them to reduce their stockpiles.
Posted by Stan1, Thursday, 16 August 2012 2:04:20 PM
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I would like to know where Julie gets her intelligence. Iran is months if not weeks to enriching uranium to reach weapons grade level? It was only six months ago that America was talking in terms of years what has happened since then? As far as Israeli intelligence is concerned it has been whining about Iran's nuclear program reaching weapons grade within six months since the mid 1990's. Israel's credibility when it comes to Iran is less than zero, America is just slightly above zero.

America's inept Secretary of State, the invisible Hilary Clinton has taken George W Bush's play book at justifying America's invasion of Iraq verbatim simply substituting Iran for Iraq and obviously believes that the world population are so ignorant that they can be fooled a second time. War is a result of failed diplomacy it is said examine America’s record.

It has invaded Afghanistan, Iraq and involved itself in a dirty war with part of the Pakistani military. It has invaded and conquered Libya and has laid sanctions on Syria and Iran (sanctions are considered a declaration of war).

No movement between Israel and Palestine the last, at the UN Security Council, turned into pure farce when Palestine took America’s foreign policy on the Israeli/Palestinian issue turned it into a resolution and presented it to the Security Council. America used its veto to prevent it from passing. In other words America vetoed its own policy that has been in place since 1967!

All three options as listed are untenable and though acceptable in varying degrees to the West all three are highly unlikely to be taken up by Iran. However a fair solution would be that America and its client states withdraw troops that encircle Iran on the ground and that Israel open up its nuclear stockpile to IAEA inspection and that it becomes a signatory of the non-proliferation treaty. America must withdraw all sanctions as soon as Iran puts its entire nuclear program under IAEA auspices.

That is a far more balanced and realistic solution to the current highly volatile situation today.
Posted by Ulis, Thursday, 16 August 2012 2:09:03 PM
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Iran is not threatening anyone, why does every shill for Israel have to bloviate and lie to us.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Thursday, 16 August 2012 2:22:39 PM
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Marilyn try English it usually works for me. I noticed you didn't address a single point that I raised I can therefore assume you agree with my viewpoint 100%. Thank you
Posted by Ulis, Thursday, 16 August 2012 3:45:54 PM
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Yes Ulis I do agree with you.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Thursday, 16 August 2012 5:53:25 PM
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If Julie Bishop wants to be labled a war monger along with the criminals to run Israel,then so be it.

Israel has at least 200 nukes and the means to deliver them.Iran has yet to make one.Israel is the greatest threat the world peace on the planet.

If you want to responsible for WW3 which will involve a nuclear war with China,Russia,Pakistan and possibly India,then Julie keep backing Israel who is supported by the Banking,Military,Industrial Complex who have created the GFC and peddled the BS of AGW.

War will be the escape of the criminal elites who have stolen $ trillions from us hard workers and not one of them has been charged,let alone put in gaol.They have us at their rear and China/Russia whom they demonise at the fore,since they( Russia & China) don't want to be their debt slaves either.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ Know the truth and we shall all be free.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 16 August 2012 6:37:50 PM
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Jack from Bicton asks: Will Australia get involved? Is the Pope a Catholic?

Australia will do whatever the U.S. tells it to do just like the previous Government did.

There should be no dreadful dilemma over Iran. Iran is entitled to develop nuclear weapons just like Israel did using secrecy and duplicity.

I don't think many of the people who contribute to OLO realize what is going to happen if the religious fanatics in Israel attack Iran. The doo is going to hit the fan bigtime! The situation will escalate into WW3.

Israel should've been stopped a long, long time ago. And so should've the U.S. Both of them are deranged!
Posted by David G, Thursday, 16 August 2012 6:42:00 PM
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http://tarpley.net/ 30 nations have recently met in Tehran.They included Russia ,China,India,Iran,Pakistan,Indonnesia,Venezuela etc who represented almost half the world's population.They voted not to put sanctions on Syria or attack them under the lies of humanitarian invasions.

The Western Oligarchs are at odds with their own people they oppress and the ones they seek to conquer via war.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 16 August 2012 7:05:39 PM
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Funny how all these warmongering tories never mention attacking North Korea. A vastly more odious and cruel regime than the Iranians. But then North Korea dosent have any oil does it? And they can defend themselves.
Who can blame Iran for thinking they would be safer if they had their own nuclear deterrent. Not that there is any credible evidence that they are. Indeed the only credible evidence says the exact opposite.

And who the hell are the US and the Israelis et al to tell anyone they cant have nukes while they hold the trigger for hundreds if not thousands of weapons of mass destruction. The hypocrisy is breathtaking and the gullibility of the public to swallow this leaves me despairing for humankinds collective intelligence.
Posted by mikk, Friday, 17 August 2012 7:57:01 PM
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mkk

Yeah.
Posted by Stan1, Saturday, 18 August 2012 12:34:33 AM
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Marilyn, Arjay, Mkk & Stan1 I just wanted to tell you that I'm usually in the minority when tackling the formidable Israeli propaganda machine that swings into place any time that any one says a single questioning word about Israel.

They play the man not the ball. I may be accused of being an anti-Zionist but I have absolutely nothing against the Jewish people who have contributed so much to humanity through the millennium.

It is a pleasure to hear voices that respond to what America and Israel do and not what they say. I am currently reading Dissension Among Allies Ernest Bevin's Palestine Policy Between Whitehall and the White House, 1945-47. Bevin was foreign minister in the British Labour Party under the Prime Minister Atlee and he was responsible for solving the problem of the displaced European Jews post WWII with America.

Bevin is appalled by President Truman who makes it clear that he was more concerned with the votes of approximately 1,000,000 Jews residing in New York and the forthcoming presidential elections he had to face than acting as a statesman. Truman would take no responsibility for Palestine and yet he was insistent that the Zionist be given a quota of 100,000 Jews that could enter and settle in Palestine immediately with a view to dividing the country.

Bevin complains that he has no leverage as America is helping Britain get back on its feet again after WWII found Britain bankrupt. He couldn't believe that an American President would use such a delicate foreign policy question as the future of Palestine for domestic political consumption. It shows that right back at the beginning the Zionists used their political advantage of block voting to achieve what they had set out to do.

Today we see exactly the same thing the Zionists have complete control of America's Middle East policy and it is immaterial which party wins next year's election American policy on the Middle East will not change. The tail today is wagging the dog.
Posted by Ulis, Saturday, 18 August 2012 10:53:16 AM
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Ulis you will be very interested in this story.Richard Silverstein says he has got a leak from IDF which reveals Netanyahu's secet plan to attack Iran. http://www.globalresearch.ca/

Silverstein goes on top say that Israel has new stealth weaponery that the USA does not know about.It seems that even those within their IDF are very nervous about starting a fight with Iran.Iran is said to have over 100,000 missiles.They will then have Russia and China to contend with since they will no longer tolerate Western imperialism taking control of more major energy sources.

This monopoly of energy is bad for us too since the big oil companies will charge what they like.

Apparently there is now an oil line that runs from Iraq into Israel.Make no mistake,this is about the Western Oligarchs taking what they cannot produce.They are left with worthless derivatives while China and India are the factory of the planet.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 18 August 2012 12:07:23 PM
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This thread should be alive with comments. Don't you realize how close we are to nuclear war thanks to Israel?

Do the nukes have to fall before Australians wake up to the danger? Why aren't people marching in the streets, demonstrating outside Parliament and Syagogues, ringing their local Members, sending emails to Obama and Netanyahu, etc?

Nuking Iran will lead to WW3 and human extinction. Are you not worried?

I thought not! You are more interested in the gay marriage issue!
Posted by David G, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 10:04:18 AM
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