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Excess is followed by collapse - learning from history : Comments

By Valerie Yule, published 30/3/2012

The history of empires and nations has been that excess is followed by collapse. How can we avoid the same fate?

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While we're on the subject of connecting the dots!

Why does Bonmot insist that:
<< “Anyone who thinks Australia’s carbon tax/ETS has something to do with controlling Earth’s temperature is just plain wrong, or stupid – take your pick.”>>

If this is an example of the best non-sceptical thinking (re AGW) there’s little wonder why they’re losing it (in every sensed of the word!).

Bonmot seems want us to believe that the carbon tax is simply about “transitioning” to alternate energy sources.

But why the mad rush towards transitioning?

Ah! maybe it’s because of peak oil: you know, we might run out and that would be reeeal bad. But ,no, we have enough coal to last for hundreds of years. Then we have shale oil for another hundred years. And the latest fad is natural gas which adds still hundred of years more. So it can’t be simply about transitioning to avoid peak oil, or peak coal, or peak anything else!

As I recall it, there used to be in consensusing non-sceptical circles a proposition that we needed to wean ourselves off fossil fuels because they produced prodigious amounts of greenhouse gasses and these greenhouse gasses were complicit in the warming of the Earth [ and if we didn’t act real soon –depending which non-sceptic you listened to-- the sea level would rise by six metres (at low tide) or, the dams would all dry-up] and the best way to mitigate temperature increases was to transition to alternative sources of energy.

And our present flopsies in Canberra share the non-sceptics faith. (they must, they’ve attended everyone of the non-sceptics hoedowns from Copenhagen to Durban) So you don’t have to be a Sherlock Holmes to work-out that they just might have thought far enough ahead to see our transitioning to non-fossil fuels as doing *something* about ameliorating the warming trend, however feeble & foolhardy.

But the real mystery is why would Bonmot not want us to see the connection? perhaps he just cannot connect the dots that far ahead -- yep it figures!
Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 1 April 2012 2:49:33 PM
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The carbon tax will cause change, you can bye green power and there is no carbon tax. Dirty power will continue to rise in price.
I don't think the timescale is that far away, in the last decade see level rise has doubled that of the last century.
There is enough ice around Greenland to rise sea level by 6 + meters.
I don't know where you are getting global cooling from, The temp; of sea water is increasing. Sea water covers more land than not.
Posted by 579, Sunday, 1 April 2012 3:24:13 PM
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you can bye green power and there is no carbon tax.
579,
I assume you meant buy (just a typo) green power. Explain this please. How do you make green power without polluting side effects ? Or are you suggesting we achieve that in a clean way ? I'd certainly love to know how. How do you envisage a green Supermarket or a green car or green mass transport or green airliners ? Do you already have a working model of a green refrigerator factory or a green car factory ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 1 April 2012 3:48:33 PM
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>>Civilisations collapse once embracing immorality and finally homosexuality as normal<<

Really? So the Roman empire didn't collapse because of barbarian incursions? The Aztec empire didn't collapse thanks to the Spanish and all their lovely European diseases?

So why did these empires collapse, runner? Was it because they were all bumming each other or was it because they were downloading too much porn? And why don't history books contain the real answer?

Cheers,

Tony
Posted by Tony Lavis, Sunday, 1 April 2012 5:05:42 PM
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because they were all bumming each other
Tony Lavis,
Just look what's happening to the coffer emptying left.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 1 April 2012 6:54:21 PM
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Ok, bout time to leave.

See ya...
Posted by bonmot, Sunday, 1 April 2012 7:09:55 PM
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