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The day after Iran goes nuclear : Comments

By Julie Bishop, published 29/3/2012

Iran must explain why it has refused to grant full access to international inspectors if there is nothing to hide.

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It would seem the process of disinformation continues.
On the issue of a visit to the Parchin military base during a recent trip to Iran by the IAEA, it has been suggested that the demand to visit reversed a previous agreement that the visit would come later in the process.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NC22Ak01.html
And Senator Carr is to be criticized for suggesting that the threat of war be taken off the table? Hasn't the world had enough of watching the Islamic crescent burn? It is long past time that we take our heads out of those burning sands to see that terrorists are not born, but they surely can be made.
And throughout this continuing process of demonizing Iran, why is it that no is suggesting that Israel open its nuclear facilities to inspection by the IAEA? After all, Iran has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty while Israel has not.
But then India has never signed it either, and we're about to sell them uranium. I wonder what Ms Bishop thinks about that?
Posted by halduell, Thursday, 29 March 2012 8:55:54 AM
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Well I hope the article earns Ms Bishop a nice big fat donation from the support-Israel-at-any-price lobby.

Her attempt to paint a picture of international unity in sanctions against Iran is a joke. The US has recently been allowing western nations such as Japan to continue purchasing Iran's oil as long as they "make an attempt" to reduce imports!

The sanctions are hurting common Iranians rather than the government. The highest religious leader in Iran (where religious fanaticism has the west in a tiz) has declared nuclear weapons to be a sin. Time for Israel to come clean on its nuclear weapons programme and open itself to IAEA inspections.
Posted by michael_in_adelaide, Thursday, 29 March 2012 9:26:19 AM
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Onya Julie. Break foreign policy bipartisanship for few votes.
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 29 March 2012 10:05:23 AM
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The Saudis have made it clear they will "go nuclear" if Iran, their strategic rival, does. The Pakistanis will certainly sell them the know how if not the actual equipment.

Turkey is still nominally a member of NATO. In reality it is drifting away from Europe and the US. I cannot imagine Turkey refraining from developing nukes if its neighbour, Iran, has them.

North Korea seems willing to sell nuclear and missile technology to whoever is willing to pay for it. Any country with a reasonable corp of scientists and engineers can purchase the know how.

Pakistan's AQ Khan Network has already sold nuclear technology to many countries including, ironically, Pakistan's strategic rival, Iran.

The idea that Iran, a relatively poor country its oil wealth notwithstanding, would spend such vast sums on developing the technology to enrich uranium far beyond what is needed for electricity generation without having weapons in mind is ludicrous. Truly there are none so blind as those who will not see.

And this from the NY Times, 31 Jan 2011:

>>WASHINGTON — New American intelligence assessments have concluded that Pakistan has steadily expanded its nuclear arsenal since President Obama came to office, and that it is building the capability to surge ahead in the production of nuclear-weapons material, putting it on a path to overtake Britain as the world’s fifth largest nuclear weapons power.>>

See:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/world/asia/01policy.html?pagewanted=all

Looks like we're headed for a nuclear arms race among Muslim countries.

Should be interesting.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Thursday, 29 March 2012 10:05:55 AM
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its nothing if not relentless
the thick zionists[under their iron dome]..[formerly 'starwars']
want to revenge..the 2000 year plus blood fued with the maccabees[iran]

it has allready its 'base' from iraq
FABRICATING A "SMOKING GUN" TO ATTACK IRAN?
Israeli Spies Disguised as Iranian Soldiers..on Mission Inside Iran
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29981

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/03/27/israeli-soldiers-reportedly-active-iran-106471/

it has in place..its nuke 'bunker busters'
its all ready to go...[so why arnt they gone?]
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/political-correctness-or-political.html

why is it so hard..to complain/critize israel?
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=18326&title=why-is-it-so-hard-for-poiliticans-to-criticize-israel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5Yr10GsLk&feature=player_embedded

Divide and conquer folks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU07MVS0KJs
cause they lie
they blog lies

ITS ALL THEM LIES UPON LIES..we disspise

a cover story
for the use*..of nuclear weapons.[by us/israel]
http://www.gizmag.com/massive-ordnance-penetrator-mop-gbu-57ab/20538/

[more/mossad 101]
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/netanyahus-machine/
Netanyahu went before a joint session of Congress.
Each member of Congress had a single gallery pass to give out,
and most..gave theirs to their largest AIPAC donor*.

With the hall packed with supporters,
Netanyahu received one thundering ovation after another.

revisionism continues
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865552630/FBI-explanation-of-missing-Oklahoma-City-bombing-tapes-not-credible-judge-says.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.php

Michael Rivero of http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
Watch entire 2012-03-26 Broadcast here: http://www.justin.tv/michaelrivero/b/312945259
Ken O'keefe of http://worldcitizen.uk.net/
and http://alohapalestine.com/

but why worry
no-one reads this anyhow

yet somehow mannages to comment
regardless..[if a point can be scored]

like usa leads in killing its own
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/america-ranks-1st-among-western-nations.html

as well as others peoples
VIA STUPID DUMB IDIOTIC SNEAKY WAR'ss

lets have terror exorsizes[with your kids][usa only ;for now]
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/kids-all-over-america-are-being-put-on.html

'israel' is delusional
delusioning
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2012/03/israels-occupation-who-is-most-out-of-touch-with-reality/

they lie[and know it]
its time you knew it too

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/27/lies-taking-us-to-war/




The Roman empire failed,
because Romans exhausted manpower and resources
in civil wars fighting amongst themselves for power.

The British empire failed,
because the British exhausted themselves..fighting Germany in two world wars.

empires[then and now]
http://www.bushstole04.com/newworld/roberts_empire.htm

14 'signs' of facism
http://www.bushstole04.com/Martial%20Law/fascism_14_defining_characteristics.htm

revealing report into NDS in Israel,...

[shutting down opposition]
[standard mossad opperating procedure]

..are accused of hiring expert hackers
and providing codes for pay t.v cards.

NDS is funded by the Rupert Murdoch empire,
and is part of News Corporation.

NDS deny any involvement,
despite testimony from hackers and people involved

http://12160.info/video/exclusive-pay-t-v-card-fraud-israel-s-nds-of-murdoch-news-corp?xg_source=activity

but fear no weasals
'Evil destroys itself.''[eventually
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 29 March 2012 10:18:53 AM
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stevenlmeyer,

Iran has wanted a civilian nuclear programme since the time of the US-backed Shah. How do I know? My wife grew up in Iran and watched the Shah say this on TV about 35 years ago. (Yes, they had TV in Iran back then.) The reason the Shah gave was that one day the oil would run out and they would need nuclear power for energy. Oil is post-peak in Iran as it probably is in Saudi Arabia but SA's population is still growing rapidly so they are using more of their own oil domestically. This threatens their export income. Therefore they are considering nuclear energy for their domestic energy needs as are other Middle Eastern nations.

Being able to build nuclear weapons is also a great guarantee against aggression from nations such as the USA, UK and Australia that invade other nations on false pretences, e.g. Iraq leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths. Most sensible commentators believe Iran wants a civilian programme that gives it the "option to go nuclear if provoked" just like our former enemy Japan.

If you want to be afraid of a nuclear nation then look at Pakistan. But no, we can't do that because they are an "ally" in the fight against the Taliban!

It is all a very, very sick joke.
Posted by michael_in_adelaide, Thursday, 29 March 2012 11:18:33 AM
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Halduell perhaps said it best. Bishop does nothing more than repeat the same tired propoganda emanating from Washington and Tel Aviv. A relentless refusal to look at the evidence should not be used as an excuse for embroiling Australia in yet another conflagration. If Israel and/or the US attacks Iran (and they are mad enough to do it) then as several neutral commentators have pointed out, the consequences would be horrendous, not just for Iran but for the wide world.
As to what really happened with the IAEA and the Parchin site I suggest that people read the many articles by Gareth Porter on this and related topics.
Not that Bishop, the Labor government or the Coalition government in waiting ever let facts get in the way of the sychophantic adherence to the US/Israel world view.
Posted by James O'Neill, Thursday, 29 March 2012 11:39:34 AM
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It amazes me how people like Julie Bishop think that threatening to bomb a country will make them less likely to want to build weapons to protect themselves. If we had two nuclear armed nations threatening to bomb us, I think we too would want to build nuclear weapons to deter them from doing so.
I personally fell Iran would pose much less of a threat with nuclear weapons than either the US or Israel. Iran is a peaceful country with no history of invading or bombing its neighbors. This stands in stark contrast to both Israel and the US.
In any case, Australia simply needs to keep out of it. We've spent enough blood and money killing people in the Middle East already. I fail to see how killing more Muslims on the other side of the world is even faintly in our interests.
Posted by Rhys Jones, Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:56:39 PM
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Julie a mirror often projects many images; I don't know what you see in the mirror on the political front. Unfortunately you continue to push the tried and true Israel/US mantra about the evils of Iran.

I have no doubt Iran like all countries have ulterior motives behind many of their programs and projects.

Israel for all intent purposes is an Apartheid almost fascist state. Extreme Zionism is becoming more persuasive at the government level, therefore more militant and feverish.

The US continues to decline into a fascist state with Obama and his cronies signing more and more legislation turning the US sheeple into serfs for their Corporatic government minions.

Australia, on both political fronts, continues to pander to the US/Israel alliance to our longer-term detriment.

The bigger picture of this story is energy and the fight to retain a share of the ever shrinking fossil fuel energy supply on our finite planet.

US intelligence estimates from the NSA, CIA and other international focussed agencies have all testified to the US congress that Iran do not have, have not and presently show no signs of developing any nuclear weapons capability, in complete disjunct to the political mantra coming out of politicians mouths.......vis upcoming US elections and trying to retain US hegemony going that little bit longer.

I guess that you Julie will continue to support a growingly belligerent Israel and an increasing impotent US if elected at the next Australian election, sad if you ask me.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:58:56 PM
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Why are not the weapons inspectors in Israel?It has 200+ nukes.Both MOSSAD and the CIA say that Iran has no nuke program.Sounds like more war mongering to me.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 29 March 2012 1:03:22 PM
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michael_in_adelaide wrote:

>>If you want to be afraid of a nuclear nation then look at Pakistan.>>

I specifically mentioned the dangers a nuclear Pakistan poses.

>> But no, we can't do that because they are an "ally" in the fight against the Taliban!>>

With allies like Pakistan you don't need enemies.

>>Being able to build nuclear weapons is also a great guarantee against aggression from nations such as the USA, UK and Australia…>>

At least you're not denying that Iran is attempting to build nuclear weapons.

My sole point was that we seem to be observing an emerging nuclear arms race among Muslim states. Count Saudi Arabia as a definite and Turkey as a maybe.

As I said in my first post, should be interesting.

The nuclear genie is well and truly out of the bottle.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Thursday, 29 March 2012 1:38:59 PM
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Why doesn't Israel sign the NPT and stop selling nuclear information to places like Pakistan as uncovered by former FBI person Sibel Edmonds?

Israel has over 200 nuclear bombs that were supported by the US way back in the 1960's when Shimon Peres started the Dimona program.

Honestly the Australian pollies are like pathetic little sheep with their support for Israel no matter what.

Why on earth would Iran want to nuke so-called Israel and risk murdering millions of Palestinians as well.

Stupid damn woman this Bishop.

Iran has not attacked a single nation in over 200 years yet the so-called Israeli's have attacked all of their neighbours multiple times, occupied and stolen their lands and slaughtered tens of thousands while destroying whole vast tracts of housing, schools and hospitals each time.

Do give the Iran fiction a rest.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Thursday, 29 March 2012 3:26:00 PM
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Marilyn Shepherd.If you know about Siebil Edmonds you then know http://www.ae911truth.org/ Boiling Frogs is also a good site.James Corbett is a very articulate presenter.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 29 March 2012 4:49:32 PM
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Pink Floyd ;Peace Song by Arjay.

We don't need no Iran invasion,
We don't need no thought control,
Preachers leave our rights alone,
Hey,Israel!Leave Iran alone!

All in all it's just another brick in a wall.
All in all it's just another stiff in war.

We don't need no conflagragation,
We don't need no bought control,
No dark chasm is the farce room,
Hey,NATO! Leave China alone!

All in all it's just another brick in a wall.
All in all it's just another stiff in a war.

We don't need no false flag terror,
We don't need your lust for power,
No dark chasm in the farce room,
Hey,NATO! Leave the people alone!

All in all it's just another brick in a wall,
All in all it's just another stiff in a war.

We don't need your New World Order,
We don't need your lust for power,
No dark chasm in the farce room.
Hey,Israel! Leave Iran alone!

All in all it's just another brick in a wall.
All in all it's just another trick for a war.

WW3 is looming and we'd better wake up! The goodies were never on our side.We are their debt serfs.They have stolen our super via pyramid scams and are using wars of imperialism to escape us and expand their power.The masses are awakening.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 29 March 2012 7:55:57 PM
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There is certainly a lot of "moral imperatives" in your article *Shadow Minister*

But, aah, the shared disgust of double standards.

I think a number of the other posters here have well pointed out some of those issues.

Thus, simply, if you point a weapon of mass destruction at one group, of course, they are going to do the same to you, or want to be able to do the same.

No, when you strip back the public charade, what you are really advocating for is the right to assure the wholesale destruction of your "enemies" without them having the capability of returning the favour.

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I am recalling Pakistan's offer of the SWAT Valley to the Taliban, a matter about which there was extensive coverage provided by INDOVISION and am left wondering what would now be the state of affairs had they contained themselves?

Clearly there is a threat, but how best to advance peace?

I am also wondering had Australia, N.America and England accepted the Japanese proposal for the international recognition of racial equality, would they still have chosen war?

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No, what the N.Americans most need in my view is a mate that will stand up publicly when required and tell them that they stink, regardless of the consequences, and be prepared to "crawl over broken glass" to bring them home when they lose their way.

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Oh, for everyone's interest I note that, and if I interpreted correctly that which I read on the copyright council's web site some time ago, that the Australian guvment retains an unfettered power of censorship.

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I would personally like to see old LateLine back the way it was before Howard gutted it, and enhanced to provide the audience with the views of the rest of the world, as if nothing else, it certainly helps to minimise "misunderstandings."

But then, can you really compete *Shadow Minister* or do you need to continue to run around in the shadows, puking out a nauseous stream of simplistic, one sided, rhetoric?
Posted by DreamOn, Thursday, 29 March 2012 8:13:24 PM
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