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2012 - time for civil libertarians to grow up or fade out : Comments

By Mirko Bagaric, published 3/1/2012

Oftentimes when a 'civil libertarian' champions a cause the sum misery of humanity increases.

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thanks Mirko for a well thought out document. The left however don't like having their failed dogmas rubbed in their face.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 1:24:03 PM
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“The key to rights is identifying the circumstances in which they can be limited and extending them to all people equally, while maintaining a distinction between the innocent and wretched. Civil libertarians ( Aboriginal Victim Industry “ AVI “ aka activists and agitators ) dish out rights to the guilty and innocent alike and suffer from moral short-sightedness. They focus only on the immediate person, as opposed to wider consequences and the likely effect of policies on other individuals”
Arthur Bell.
Posted by bully, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 3:06:32 PM
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Mirko Bagaric,

I am sure that soon or later the Queen of England will reward your realism and you will join the list of her meritorious subjects besides our most obtuse of PM.

With him and her Majesty you share a cool, mechanical sensitivity.

You are right; if John Howard had not been deposed, the carnage of persecuted human beings in search of help had not been stopped.

But you conveniently omit to mention that among the reasons of Howard’s fall, pre-eminent was just his behavior towards those unfortunate; ordinary Australians do not like senseless cruelties.

Those who followed him, an altar boy and a career woman excited by Victory, like Howard, forgot their humanity.

Any other leader would have correctly sensed why Howard lost the leadership and would have boarded a flight to Indonesia and there worked out a deal with the Indonesian people that they could not have refused.

The Indonesians would have finished in front and so would the Australians and, above all, the ‘Asylum seekers’.

Shame on you Bagaric and Howard and Rudd and Gillard!
Posted by skeptic, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 4:26:24 PM
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Excellent article Mirko.
Posted by Aristocrat, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 5:16:55 PM
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Here, here.

I thought thinking logically rather than jumping on the leftwing groupthink bandwagen was banned at universities in Australia? I can't believe they let you get a PhD with those sort of attitudes!
Posted by dane, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 9:40:13 PM
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The only liberties that "civil libertarians" think of protecting, is those of criminals, terrorists and illegal immigrants. The liberties of Australian taxpayers who customarily foot the bill for every expensive "right" that such people demand, is of no concern to such people.

The importation of certain ethnic and religious groups into this country has seen the erosion of liberties of ordinary Australians. The easiest way to keep terrorists out of Australia is to discriminate against those religions and cultures which spawn them.

Yet civil libertarians will unfailingly demand that these people must not be excluded from our immigration program. Thus our legal system is forced to adapt by the creation of rights degrading legislation, like the right of police with reasonable cause to enter a house with a warrent from a magistrate, once one of the cornerstones of our rights.

Police may now stop and search cars at random, rummaging around inside the contents for something to convict the drivers on. Police on anti terrorism duties may arrest and detain a suspect for up to a week without charge.

It is people with rights based mindsets who create endemic problems for our communith by the insistence that no discrimination be exhibited to any religion or culture, who then scream the loudest when our community has to curtail liberties in order to mitigate the effects of the wrong people into our country.

This is a recurring problem with civil libertarians. Create a serious problem with your insistence on moral absolutes, then criticise the actions of the people who have solve the problem that you created.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 3:13:20 AM
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