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UN money does grow on trees for indigenous forest loggers : Comments

By Chris Wright, published 9/12/2011

Deforestation represents one of the greatest contributors to climate change but stopping it too often forgets indigenous issues.

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Three propaganda articles from the same gang at Durban - all on one day. They obviously have a roster worked out over there.

OLO posts three propaganda articles in one day, but won't allow the reproduction of a comment which applies to each of them. So this post is necessarily similar to others:

>>Jayden Holmes is a student at the University of Melbourne and a member of the Global Voices Australian Youth Delegation to the UN negotiations in Durban this week.

>>Michael Mazengarb is a student at The Australian National University and a member of the Global Voices Australian Youth Delegation to the UN negotiations in Durban this week.

>>Chris Wright is a student at Macquarie University and a member of the Global Voices Australian Youth Delegation to the UN negotiations in Durban this week.

>>Heather Bruer is an Economics student at the University of Adelaide. She is currently the International Co-director at the Australian Youth Climate Coalition.

>>Clancy Moore is attending the U.N Climate Summit in Durban, South Africa form 28 November to 9 December 2011 as part of Oxfam's U.N. Climate Change Tracker Project.

All of this propaganda in one week. After that lot, I gave up.

Nobody can say Jo Coghlan and OLO are not doing their bit to promote this crap from "students" whose ideology is clear, but whose expertise is invisible.

No doubt Graeme will cut anybody who comments harshly on the lack of editorial integrity. OLO has become just another vehicle for leftist propaganda.

The hypocrisy of the 15,000 who flew to Durban to celebrate the junk science of carbon dioxide emissions is breath-taking.
Posted by KenH, Friday, 9 December 2011 7:29:45 AM
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Hay little boy, I'd suggest that you, & all your other apprentice people, studying at our expense, & flitting around the world, get your hand out of our collective pockets.

We are obviously wasting far too much of our hard earned money trying to educate you, your article proves it's not succeeding, & are not about to let you waste even more of it on some hair brained scheme to save the planet.

If we decide to do something as stupid as give heaps of our money to third world elites, we'll let you know. Meanwhile, don't call us, we'll call you, if ever we have need of a joker.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 9 December 2011 8:48:46 AM
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Hasbeen mate!.....why do you have such a downer on academic 21 century idea's which is what this site is based upon?

New idea's are always welcome here. True...some fail.....however other's makes such a contribution to all our benefits, its IMO the older leaders need to move a-side in some area's but not all:)

Hasbeen, while money rules our thinkings, your quite right with your logic.......and this makes me wonder why you think the world rests on your shoulders?

It will be the leaders shoulders it will all rest upon, and the blame (like in Europe) they will the people re-act, and for all the world to see.

If our leaders fail to do there jobs right, the public voice just like in Julius-Cesar's time, maybe the difference of life and death.

Just ask Colonel Gaddafi's and Saddam-Husein how their righteous choices went:).......not to well one might say.

The people have the power, and thats how you stop corruption in any system.

Times are changing my friend, and time will hold every man and woman accountable for their actions.

All the best.

CATUS
Posted by Cactus..2, Saturday, 10 December 2011 12:10:35 AM
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REDD looks like one of those acronyms designed to confuse and spend a lot of money acheiving the exact opposite of its stated aim.

Originally the last D in the acronym stood for Developing countries but the accronym seem to be now Reduction of emissions due to Deforestation and Degradation, so we now see activists using REDD to stop sustainable timber harvesting in Australia.

When the RE was first thought of, it was estimated that 18% of the worlds emissions came from deforestation, this was quickly rounded to 20% and is the common figure used by WWF, IUCN, Wilderness Society, HSI, Global witness, and the host of others ENGO that have jetted lobbyists to the COP in Durban.

Yet The World Resources Institute at http://www.wri.org/image/view/11147/_original estimates that in 2005 deforestation emissions from the tropics fell to 11.3%. As the tropics are the only major area where deforestation is occurring, this would seem a staggering victory, a reduction from 20% to 11%. Yet the ENGO still insist on the using the 20% for their fundraising and glossy propaganda brochures.

By just paying to lock up forest in a reserve will neither create jobs, alleviate poverty nor mitigate GHG emissions. The UN IPPC, as did the Earth Summit and "Our Common Future" - the Brundtland Commission, used to advocate for sustainable development.
Australia would be better to spend its dollars on mitigation that encouraged the use of forests as forests, as found the WG 3 of the 4AR:

'In the long term, sustainable forest management strategy aimed at maintaining or increasing forest carbon stocks, while producing an annual yield of timber, fibre, or energy from the forest, will generate the largest sustained mitigation benefit.'

University students should look at innovative strategies of alleviating poverty through the sustainable management of our forests rather than just adopt the green mantra of locking up forests in reservations and denying communities the right to jobs, wealth creation and the health and education opportunities of an affluent society.
Posted by cinders, Saturday, 10 December 2011 12:36:11 PM
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This can be a win-win, but the carbon dealers have got to be kept out of it.

It is in everyone's interest to maintain viable forests and the biodiversity they contain. Forests absorb and utilise CO2, and in turn produce oxygen. They are part of the Earth's lungs, and contribute to climate - as rainforests act to maintain weather patterns essential for their survival. That is until they are over-exploited, and then we get mud slides, excessive runoff and associated flooding and erosion. Some agriculture can coexist, but widespread clear-felling is simply a crime, and the biodiversity loss is staggering. Some sanity must surely prevail.

Indigenous peoples in PNG, Indonesia, West Papua, South America, Africa, etc can be assisted to maintain and sustainably manage forests, living on their natural resources and on eco-tourism, and on sustainable small scale logging. If these people can be assisted to achieve this, including financially, at least initially, then their governments may be able to claim some legitimate carbon credits - but on behalf of the indigenous people, and the money trail has to be transparent, monitored and independently audited.

Must we destroy everything worthwhile to produce ever more palm oil just to power more and more vehicles and produce more and more pollution? We are indeed a crazy species, and our own worst enemy.
Posted by Saltpetre, Monday, 12 December 2011 12:27:45 AM
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