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Xenophon: attack the church - but not the man : Comments

By Brian Holden, published 19/9/2011

Xenophon doesn’t realise that the church is in a fight for survival.

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The Roman Catholic Church should allow Priests to marry as all other religions. There is nothing Christian about forbidding marriage. In fact Jesus encouraged marriage and the NT denounces thise that forbid marriage. Even the apostle Peter was married as Jesus healed his mother in law. Marriage would stop much of the homosexual behaviour of Priests in the RC Church, and their attraction to young vunerable men.
Posted by Philo, Monday, 19 September 2011 10:01:15 AM
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Thankfully, not even the Vatican are as nutty as runner. The current Catechism of the church states:
"159. Faith and science: "... methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are." (Vatican II GS 36:1) 283. The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers.... 284. The great interest accorded to these studies is strongly stimulated by a question of another order, which goes beyond the proper domain of the natural sciences. It is not only a question of knowing when and how the universe arose physically, or when man appeared, but rather of discovering the meaning of such an origin...."

TBC
Posted by The Acolyte Rizla, Monday, 19 September 2011 10:18:25 AM
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continued from above

In 2004 the International Theological Comission, then under the presidency of Cardinal Josef Ratzinger, issued a statement containing this paragraph:
"According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the 'Big Bang' and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5–4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution."

I put it to the author and others that the Vatican already accepts the principle of evolution by natural selection.

Also, Brian, I feel the need to point out the Church's teaching on sin and Hell. Committing a mortal sin does not necessarily lead to eternity in hell. If the sinner repents and gains absolution, they can still get into heaven. There is (as far as I know) only one mortal sin to which this does not apply, and that's suicide (obviously it's a bit hard to repent and gain absolution after you've topped yourself).

As a pantheist, I have no problem with you laying the boot into the church if you feel it is warranted. But as a nerd, I'd prefer you get your facts straight first.
Posted by The Acolyte Rizla, Monday, 19 September 2011 10:19:18 AM
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'According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the 'Big Bang' and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, '

no wonder people treat pseudo science is looked at as a joke while many thinking people see design everywhere. Evolutionist sure do have faith.
Posted by runner, Monday, 19 September 2011 10:45:05 AM
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Wow, runner. I'm not surprised you think damn near every biologist in the world is wrong (and apparently the physicists to boot). But I am very surprised that you regard yourself as a more reliable theological expert than the most learned theologians of the Catholic Church - the largest Christian church in the world, and the only one with an even halfway legtimate claim to have being founded by the big fella, Jesus of Nazareth himself. Your hubris and narcissism is astounding.
Posted by The Acolyte Rizla, Monday, 19 September 2011 11:21:26 AM
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Senator Xenaphon's naming of the priest in question is an abuse of parliamentary privilege. In any case, it is aimed essentially at the Catholic Church.

The author fails to acknowledge that the incidence of priests engaging in paedophilia is very small, smaller than for the population at large, and that the overwhelming majority of those offending priests is homosexual. The actions of those priests does not reflect well on the Church, nor on the vast majority of priests who diligently carry out their pastoral duties. Bigots of course make it look worse by sensationalising.

Whoever quotes the Darwin hypothesis of evolution as proof for an argument, is being assertive and not scientific. The evolution asserters fail to explain how this evolutionary process is supposed to have originated in the first place in a sterile environment
Posted by Raycom, Monday, 19 September 2011 11:39:38 AM
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