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21st century democracy needs defending : Comments

By Lee Rhiannon, published 15/7/2011

How does 21st century democracy manage lobbyists, corporate campaigning, and concentration of media ownership?

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A good article. Was no-one else concerned at the huge advertising campaign against the proposed mining super profits tax? Telling Australians that it would cause them to lose their jobs. This was nothing but lies as the enormous growth in the mining industry in the past year shows as well as the ever increasing, astronomical wealth of the likes of Geina Reinhart.
How can a government govern in the interests of the nation when a group of corporations can pump 100 million dollars into an advertising campaign to discredit government policy? This is particularly a problem with the vast majority of the media being in the hands of so few individuals.
I thought that democracy was supposed to be about government by the people, not by big business.
Posted by Rhys Jones, Friday, 15 July 2011 11:53:17 AM
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>> Australia is governed by a stable coalition of ALP, Green and Independent parliamentarians who together represent more than 50% of the electorate. Gillard may not have won the election, but Abbott certainly lost it. <<

Nah, Morganzola coalitions are only for laissez-faire, far right, in bed with big business, born to rule, wanna-be Tories. The Greens, Independents (who were voted in by voters) have not stayed in their ordained places and have actually cooperated with the Labor Party in order to govern. Such things are beyond the pale and neo-conservatives want another election; waiting for the accepted and legal terms of governance is not acceptable.

The far right rant along with not upholding democracy have proved themselves to be very poor losers.

>> Please demonstrate how the Greens are like the erstwhile Communist Party - in philosophy, policy, structure or practice. <<

People who can criminalise others for fleeing war zones, should have no trouble claiming the Greens are commos - proving it beyond doubt? Well, never let the truth get in the way of a good smear campaign.
Posted by Ammonite, Friday, 15 July 2011 12:09:08 PM
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morganzola " was going to respond to your rambling, fact-free rant, but you've demonstrated that you're not interested in truth and honesty when it comes to the Greens"

"truth and honesty" as in the greens pursuit of a political authority which they cannot obtain from the ballot box in their own right?

And your "spray" at MAREELORRAINE and I certainly indicates how disinterested you really are in allowing an opposing view voice.

The Greens were infiltrated by Trotskyites and fellow Bolshevik extremists decades ago, even before the fatally flawed politics of collectivism (USSR) collapsed in a heap before the superior will and ability of Libertarian Capitalism

But what you annoys most is: enough people are still around to remember the disaster which Green policies will bring and enough people are still around to ensure that at the next election-

Labor will be decimated and the Greens obliterated. The independents are dead-men-walking ... who will never be relected and as for your comment

"stable coalition of ALP, Green and Independent parliamentarians"

Then why do Wilke and Windsor hold opposing views on Gambling reform?

which in itself is enough to destabalize the Gizzards House of Cards (being made up of 52 knaves)
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 15 July 2011 1:13:58 PM
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Morganzola, I don't just make things up it is my opinion.
"an opinion is a subject belief, and it is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.
a belief or judgement that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainity / a personal view, attitude or appraisal".
I understand that the Government is formed with the Greens and Independents, but it is the Greens agenda (12% of the vote) this government is governing with otherwise when Julie Gillard said during the election "there will be no carbon tax" she was already lying to the electorate.
Julia Gillard is looking foward to collecting huge funds through the collection of the carbon tax. This is the only way the Government will be able to bring the budget into the black by the year 2012.
I have no faith in the Government being able to handle the amount of funds that will be coming into treasury when collections start.
Posted by MAREELORRAINE, Friday, 15 July 2011 1:50:54 PM
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@ Col Rouge:

Making it up again I see. Do you ever do the most basic of research before you make your hysterical claims?

The Australian Greens have only existed since 1992, so your claim that they "were infiltrated by Trotskyites and fellow Bolshevik extremists decades ago" is just bunkum. However, like the ALP and other formerly left of centre political parties, the Greens attract a small minority of members and supporters who flirted with socialism while at university. Hell, even the Libs have a few.

However, there no "Trots" in the Greens, and their entryist strategy is well-known, so they get short shrift. As far as I know, all Bolshevik extremists died years ago, in the USSR.

Also, your tenuous grip on logic is once again on display: how do people remember something that's never happened - "enough people are still around to remember the disaster which Green policies will bring"?

Lastly, my comments are all well-researched and grounded in facts, and are always expressed civilly. Trust me, you are hardly in any position to call anybody else's comment a "spray". That's the last time I'll dignify one of yours with a response unless you can engage with a modicum of civility and cease fabricating lies about those with whom you disagree.
Posted by morganzola, Friday, 15 July 2011 1:50:55 PM
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morganzola "The Australian Greens have only existed since 1992, "

what did they call themselves before that?

"Green" politics have been around since the 1960s

it seems to me the one who has a sloppy grip on reality is yourself.

"However, there no "Trots" in the Greens,"

Delusional

It seems to me you have ignored socialist international, who regularly "slime out" at Greens activist events.

Morganzola, you are one of two groups - I will let you elect which

Either part of the Cynical Party apparatchik

or

one of that group which Lenin described as "Useful Idiot"

Either way, your politics were defeated over 20 years ago and simply renaming them "Green" today, will not alter the fact that
not only are they the results of the flawed philosophy of a malignant and lazy mind (Marx's)

but

the are doomed to fail again in the short term future

Collectivism, be it called soclalism, communism, Maoism, Fascism, Bolshevism or Greenism is always the same-

an Authoritarian Government despotically directing the lifes and choices of the individual people it was supposed to be there to serve
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 15 July 2011 2:24:30 PM
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