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Government deception won't reduce family violence : Comments

By Greg Andresen, published 9/6/2011

The truth is that violence in families is an equal opportunity crime.

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Right on Greg. We all know that the family court is hopelessly biased against men and Labor's new laws will just bring back the bad old days...

BTW I am happily married with 3 litties, but I know enough from mates to know the truth...
Posted by cmpmal, Thursday, 9 June 2011 12:41:30 PM
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A follow on from Warwicks comments. Late last year I posted a fair bit of material on fatal assault of children in NSW and substantiated abuse in Australia in response to claims that the changes to custody arrangements had caused increased child abuse and death

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11234#190097
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11234#190099

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11234#189900
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11234#189901
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11234#189902

None of that proves that the changes to family law were responsible for the changes in child deaths or child abuse substantiations but they do show the lie involved in the campaign to reverse the changes.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 9 June 2011 1:04:53 PM
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"So, when a feminist advocacy group exagerates, it's to help the cause of victims, when a male advocacy group does, it's to blame the 'victims' (ie women) of the cause. That's warped man. All advocacy groups exaggerate and twist statistics'

Houlley
If you think that was my meaning then we are speaking two different languages. I can't see where my comments support any form of exaggeration. Truth should be sought as it gets the best outcomes (if one can ever be lucky enough to ascertain truth among the chaff that gets lobbed around by most interest groups).
Posted by pelican, Thursday, 9 June 2011 1:10:21 PM
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A point made in the article which I think should be discussed:

“It is possible to draft balanced laws designed to both protect people from violence and from false allegations of violence – both cause immeasurable harm to the lives of victims. The current Family Law Act already does this very well.”

I strongly disagree with the last sentence. It is already far too easy for mothers to obtain an AVO in a state or territory court separating children from their fathers. Quotes from Prof. Patrick Parkinson’s submission to a Senate Committee:

1. “Prof. Rosemary Hunter, ~, found that the median hearing time for each application was only about three minutes. Applications were typically dealt with in a bureaucratic manner, with magistrates being distant and emotionally disengaged. To the extent that applicants were asked to give oral evidence,~ very little exploration of the grounds for the application took place.

Dr Jane Wangmann, ~ . In her observations of AVO matters in 2006–7, she found, like Hunter, that cases were dealt with in three minutes or less. She also noted that the information provided in written complaints was brief and sometimes vague.”

2 .” Family violence orders have absolutely no evidential value in the vast majority of cases. Family violence orders have absolutely no evidential value in the vast majority of cases. This is because, in the vast majority of cases, they are consented to without admissions.”

The non-uniform Family Violence laws, secretive court processes and protocols should be taken out of the hands of the states and territories which operate star chamber courts. The Constitution gives the federal government the power to do that ie make laws in respect to the family. I belief one of the big benefits would be, inter alia, that the community would get a clearer view of what is going on in respect to custody cases right across the country. The federal court could be directed to produce annually far more meaningful statistics than those peddled by the Office of Status of Woman and feminist academics. Anybody else agree with this?”
Posted by Roscop, Thursday, 9 June 2011 4:57:35 PM
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Transparency should always be the goal, that is not in dispute.

The AVOs are only half the battle, many women have been killed or seriously injured after protesting to police that their partner has made threats to them or the children. An AVO is only a bit of paper, in some cases (thankfully few) more than this is needed to protect some families. Sadly police are poorly resourced to be able to provide a closer eye over these more serious cases. The difficulty is in getting anyone to take these threats seriously, often it is too late and wisdom in hindsight.

Let us not lose focus of what AVOs are for - to prevent harm. There certainly should be stronger repercussions over false reporting, this is as much of a crime and also has a great impact on families and individuals.
Posted by pelican, Thursday, 9 June 2011 5:36:17 PM
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Perceptions are not facts
http://web.archive.org/web/20050313222509/http://www.nojustice.info/PerceptionsarenotFacts.htm

<Having read the article called "Sentencing Outcomes: A comparison of family violence and non-family violence cases" in the latest issue (no. 12, [Jan. 2005]) of Justice Canada’s periodical called "JustResearch", which, issue by issue, may or may not be “just”, as in "barely", but which definitely is not “just”, such as in fair, I queried one of the authors about the custom of using only percentages as I did not find any reference to relevant numbers on which these percentages were based on.>

http://web.archive.org/web/20050310093735/http://www.nojustice.info/ManufacturingPercentages.htm

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but the propaganda script often gets replayed in many of the US crime shows. These claims are often stated as fact, so anyone who is not going to question what they are being told, will believe it.
Posted by JamesH, Thursday, 9 June 2011 8:31:14 PM
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