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Christian guys and porkie pies : Comments

By Jane Douglas, published 30/5/2011

An inside perspective on religion in schools from a former fundamentalist pastor's wife.

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Jane

You suggested that Jim Wallace's Anzac Day suggestion that gay marriage and Islam were not what Australians fought for was 'anti-gay and racist'. However neither gay marriage nor Islam are unambiguously good things - see 'Explaining Prohibitions on Gay Marriage to Children' and 'Bringing Balanced Understanding of Islam into Australian Schools'

http://cpds.apana.org.au/Teams/Articles/child_abuse.htm#6_11_10
http://cpds.apana.org.au/Teams/Articles/Babes.htm#12_7_10

You also suggested that Access Ministries was not being straight forward in relation to whether religious education programs in schools might be intended to create disciples. The reality is that anyone who believes that this is not the goal would have to be stupid (see 'Are Politicians Idiots?)

http://cpds.apana.org.au/Teams/Articles/values_in_schools.htm#13_5_11

However the political reality is that this pretence is unavoidable, because of general ignorance of the importance of widespread adherence to Christianity within the community to the maintenance of Australia's liberal institutions (including the notion of a secular state) - see 'Get God out of the Classroom: Good luck with that!)

http://cpds.apana.org.au/Teams/Articles/values_in_schools.htm#12_4_11
Posted by CPDS, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 11:29:46 PM
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camo,
The role of Chaplains is not teaching religion. That is done by RE teachers. The role of Chaplains is to deal with children with problems and to model good character.
Posted by Philo, Thursday, 2 June 2011 1:24:16 PM
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Philo,

That may be the role of chaplains as set out in official guidelines, However, reading Evonne Paddison's speech, one is given an insight into ACCESS ministry's aim.

"School ministry is happening in both state and church schools.....As I said, I'm involved in ACCESS ministries, how many times can I plug this? And we provide CRE teachers and chaplains in schools.....To minister to schools is cross cultural, and much of our thinking about minisry and schools has had the goal that our students will be contacted, converted and discipled in order to lift them up with the local church....the chaplain has every opportunity to be a facilitator and foster a youth church congregation. And I believe it is in this incarnational and relational way fresh expressions of student oongregations can be developed and provide the opportunity of discipling our youth."

And further on:

" I'm actually convinced that a great model for discipleship and for chaplaincy would be to have a chaplain curate in a local school with a view of starting a new congregation in a fresh expression."
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 2 June 2011 2:08:39 PM
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