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Community resilience and the hazards of climate : Comments

By William Kininmonth, published 5/5/2011

The failure of global climate models means we should design our societies to be prepared for anything.

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Raycom

I had posed you the challenge of finding just one reputable scientific body that supported your views, but congratulations on at least posting quotes from a scientist. According to Wikipedia Garth Paltridge is one of a grand total of 4 scientists (they have their criteria listed) whose position is that the accuracy of IPCC climate projections is questionable.

As per Paltridge "There are good and straightforward scientific reasons to believe that the burning of fossil fuel and consequent increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide will lead to an increase in the average temperature of the world above that which would otherwise be the case. Whether the increase will be large enough to be noticeable is still an unanswered question."

So he is a long way from being an outright denier which is encouraging. Less encouraging is that the foreword to his book is written by Monckton whose talk slides have been comprehensively demonstrated to be misleading by the simple expedient in many cases of contacting the researchers whose work he quotes and agreeing with them that Monckton had misinterpreted it.

I think you have lost touch with reality if you believe the conspiracy theory. Even if you could explain the situation in Australia (which you can't) then what about the rest of the world? No matter what political power is involved, and therefore the source of some funding, the scientific answer is always the same, and has been over many years and many governments. The premise that governments of all persuasions are pro climate change science is just nonsense. The reality around the world is that governments have done their level best to ignore the science and just hope the problem goes away. The last thing governments want to do is take on powerful vested interests that have a lot of money to spend on lobbyists, advertising and pseudo scientific organisations.

I see you are proud that you didn't look at the video link I provided. You are not going to learn much that way.
Posted by Rich2, Saturday, 14 May 2011 5:54:30 PM
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Raycom says:
"The ACSC members have a wealth of scientific knowledge and experience; are honest, dedicated and responsible; they employ scientific method to seek out the scientific truth about climate change; they are genuinely mindful of the national (and international) interest; and they do not have any political axe to grind."
Well, if you can believe that you can believe anything. So far as I know, no currently active climate scientist is associated with the ACSC. ACSC "scientists" are the familiar denialist group: Plimer, Carter, Evans, McClean, et al, with no climate credibility. The political axe that they have to grind is huge and obvious. The ACSC was established by the Australian Environment Association, itself a front for the far-right IPA, and involving such right-wing activists as Hugh Morgan, Tom Quirk, and Ray Evans, all associated with the mining industry. The "national and international interest" which they are genuinely mindful of, is the interest of the extractive idustries. This of course doesn't make them wrong, or right, but it makes a nonsense of Raycom's one-eyed claim.
Posted by nicco, Sunday, 15 May 2011 9:30:52 AM
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