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Why does Israel have a veto over the peace process? : Comments

By Alan Hart, published 18/4/2011

Resolution 242 effectively gave Israel’s leaders and the Zionist lobby in America a veto over any peace process.

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Don't hold your breath mate. The Zionists both in Israel and the United States still believe that the Jews are God's chosen people and that they are above the rule of laws which are made by man. End of story as far as they are concerned and nothing on earth will convince them to change their minds.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Monday, 18 April 2011 8:50:13 AM
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Well said David. Being god's chosen people gives Israel virtual carte blanche in the eyes of believers to act in any way it wishes to act at any time. The clear fact that 'god' is a fabrication in the minds of the chosen people themselves matters naught in these matters.
Posted by GYM-FISH, Monday, 18 April 2011 9:54:37 AM
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The Jews are only one group of deluded people in our world. The Americans, most of whom don't believe in evolution, also think they are a race apart, an exceptional race, a race born to rule! Of course the Muslims have similar fantasies.

Put the three groups together with greed-driven capitalism and you have a recipe for disaster, a nuclear one.

Religion and greed are destroying our world.
Posted by David G, Monday, 18 April 2011 10:54:59 AM
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Having just completed his tour of South Africa, "Goldstone country" as he calls it, Alan would have come seen the disgust of the Zionists in that country in ousting Judge Goldstone and forcing him on pain of excommunication from his family and friends to "change" his version of the Gaza murders, resulting in 1400 dead Palestinian mean, women and children. Par for the course for the evil state of Israel. He comptomised his integrity in no uncertain terms as is required as a Zionist.

But the veto to which is referred in the article isn't just on the localised 'peace' charade in the middle east as it has now spread like a cancer into the US Congress, the Senate, the United Nations, anywhere where we see the compliant American administration at work. More noticeable in the media than anywhere else.

The 'peace talks' are finished.

I attended an occasion last month where four of the forty seven guests were Jews. The points they made on the day were clear. "We are Jews based on our religion. We do not see ourselves to be any different in our values than Christians and hate what the Zionists are doing in the world, in the Middle East. We are now also tarred with the Zionist brush and yet we are not hateful and cruel. Why can't they go back to the 1967 borders, those who want to live in that part of the world and leave us alone. Israel holds nothing of interest to us".

A common feeling of total exasperation by nornal, integrated people, valuable members of Australian society, certainly not trying to pull it down, brick by brick to suit their objectives.

Yes, this veto mentality is spreading to Australia as well with O'Farrell wanting to sack the Marrickville Council and Rudd stating that the Council was "nuts" by a possible boycott reflecting their disgust as the treatment of Palestinians, both clearly under the influence of the corrupt Zionists.

That's how they work. A fair, humane policy on Palestine has been vetoed by Gillard. Another nail in her political coffin.
Posted by rexw, Monday, 18 April 2011 3:30:22 PM
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It is easy and wrong to blame the Jews, Americans and capitalism for the ills of the world. The state of Israel is a consequence of Christian intolerance which has pervaded so many levels of Christian and Muslim society that even individuals in those societies who are not religious may share the prejudice. The ethnic nationalisms of the nineteenth century along with Christian prejudice simply left no place for Jews so Israel was founded in self-defence as Jews developed their own ethnic nationalism.

Development of modern society with democracy supported by separation of church and state started when Christian voices such as Castellio protested Christian intolerance. The USA was the first country to embody the separation of church and state.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=10725 and http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=10790 are my essays on those two subjects.

Most American accept evolution. From http://pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethics/An-Overview-of-Religion-and-Science-in-the-United-States.aspx

According to the 2009 Pew Research Center survey of scientists, 87% of scientists accept evolution through natural processes. 64% of the public accept evolution, but 22% believe it was guided by a supreme being.

The countries with the greatest commitment to social and economic equality, free political expression and environmentalism are the capitalist Scandinavian democracies. The communist record of environmental destruction is appalling and far worse than that of the USA and capitalist Europe.

Dust bowls in the USSR and China, drying up of the Aral and Caspian seas, the Three Gorges Dam, air pollution in China and Chernobyl are just a few of the environmental disasters as a consequence of their disregard for the environment.

Get rid of the Jews, the USA and capitalism, and the world will be much worse off.

Rather than blaming scapegoats for our problems it would be more sensible to have regard for the environmental; consequences of our acts as individuals, businesses and governments. We can limit ethnic and religious conflicts by recognising the mechanisms of prejudice and the history of conflicts due to our tribalism. We have to invest in education and environmental care and developing mechanisms for international cooperation. That means higher taxes to pay for it, but setting up scapegoats is easier.
Posted by david f, Monday, 18 April 2011 3:48:23 PM
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David f

You will never convince Alan Hart and his fan club of what you are stating.

We should be cautious of Alan Hart's deliberations. He is a firm believer and promoter of the 9/11 conspiracy theory. Any person who holds such extraordinary beliefs is ridden with prejudices which are not open to reason.
Posted by Danielle, Monday, 18 April 2011 5:53:52 PM
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What complete and utter BS.

Egypt started the Six Day War when it ordered the UN peace keeping forces to abandon their positions, and then blockaded the Israeli port of Eilat.

A blockade is an act of war.

Anyone who says different is either a left wing liar, or a left wing fool who does not have the wit to pick up a history book and verify what I said.

The Muslims want to destroy Israel because its very existence is an affront to their evil religion. Israel represents a backward step in the creation of a world wide Muslim Caliphate, and the only thing that will satisfy the Muslims is the complete obliteration of the Jewish state.

I can't believe the stupidity of those white westerners who condemn Israel for defending themselves, while crying over the Palestinians terrorists who are no friends of the West. The only way that peace will occur between the Muslims and the Jews, is when the Muslims stop attacking the Jews.

But the Muslims can't do that because Mohammad ethically cleansed the Jews from Arabia using genocide and they wish to emulate his noble example.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 18 April 2011 5:58:27 PM
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Danielle,"He (meaning Alan Hart) is a firm believer and premotes the 911 conspiracy." Which conspiracy are you referring to?

The one in which Arabs with box cutters who had no flying skills did impossible manoeuvres in 3 planes and planted tonnes of explosives in the towers and WTC 7,or is it the other one in which two buildings were hit by 2 planes and god changed the laws of physics so steel would melt and concrete turn to dust,and fall at freefall speeds as if there was no structure there!

Alan Hart for years fell in line with the official lie and he knew almost at the time is was a lie.I suspected something at the time,forgot it, but when I saw a study by Prof Niels Harrit and 9 other international scientists about nano thermite,I started to dig deeper.http://www.ae911truth.org/ http://patriotsquestion911.com/ The official story is an absolute lie.It is totally impossible and defies the laws of science and logic.

Good onya Alan Hart,you are a bonza bloke and have more courage and integrity than all the lying neo-cons here and on the rest of the planet.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 18 April 2011 7:05:50 PM
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Alan,

So to summarise, the Arabs invaded and tried to wipe out Israel in 1948, evicting jews from any land they captured. Then in 1967, the Arabs ordered out the peacekeepers and blockaded Israeli ports. Whether they were really ready to fight or not is debabatable, but Nassers rhetoric surely had the average Israeli in the street convinced that he was about to slaughter every one of them. Then in 1973, the Arabs again invaded Israel in a sneak attack.

And you want to tell us that the Israelis are the only belligerent in this mess. YOU MUST BE KIDDING.

Arjay,

Absolutely right, Why wouldn't the worlds best ever sabouters blow up a building that they knew a plane had not hit, 8 hours after the event. Especially when they had the NANO THERMITES. After all, how could you have access to such miracle technology, and not wire every building in the street?

D'oh.

Remind us all again why they would have planted explosives in WTC7 in the first place? If they had expert pilots who flew the planes into the right buildings, which were never going to collapse under their own weight, why would they need to blow up another small building that had practically noone in it?
Posted by PaulL, Monday, 18 April 2011 7:36:10 PM
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So what happened in 1973? If, as you say, Israel did not need to start the 1967 War, what happened when they were attacked in 1973? Surely, by your standard, that would make Israel (Post-1973) the nation which acted only in Self-defence? Thus they were entitled to the territory they successfully defended? After all, Begin & Saddat shared the Nobel Prize for the peace-accord over who owned what.

As for why Israel has the right of veto, it is because they own the land they defended in 1973, all of it, unless and until they decide to cede full interest in that land (including airspace & oceanic rights), which has not happened. Unless HAMAS and the PLA/FATAH wake up to that and try and work with others, why shouldn't Israel have a veto over its own property? If what happened in 1967 is free and clear of what happened in 1948, then what happened in 1973 overrides what happened in 1948 as well. Thus there is no guaranteed Palestinian anything, that was overridden as surely as anything else in 1973.

Israel has veto powers for the same reason that Australia has veto powers over its own territory, for the same reason every other nation has veto powers over its own territory. Because they claimed it, then defended that claim, whether legally or martially. Australia claimed the Torres Strait and defended it, but our Constitution prohibited claiming "inhabited land" (thus terra nullius was invalidated), the UN changed the rules in the late 1940's when handing over ex-Empire Land - there was a 4th means of obtaining land (Settlement, Cessation, Terra Nullius and then number 4 - per UN Resolution).

Both sides fought and died repeatedly but the only one successfully defending the land in 1973 owns it (according to your rules). The area now known as the State of Israel (including the Gaza Strip & the West Bank) was successfully defended by Israel against out-and-out aggression/invasion in 1973... Winner take all son.
Posted by Aaron 1975, Monday, 18 April 2011 9:21:30 PM
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Alan Hart is an extraordinary little man.

Alan Hart claimed that could have stopped the Six-Day War. The questions begs, or course, ...
"Alan Hart Speaks on 60th Anniversary of al Nakba, Manchester, England. 6th June 2008. Alan Hart, writer and former BBC/ITN broadcaster, speaks at a rally on the 60th anniversary of al Nakba"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA3SfRj7s8o

His constant tirades against Israel ... his obsession ...

Yet another conspiracy theory. ...

In 2007 Hart claimed without foundation that Israel was implicated in the kidnapping of BBC Journalist Alan Johnston ... stating that, if Johnston had been killed, the Israelis were behind it. In fact, Alan Johnston had been kidnapped and held for ransom by an Islamist group styling itself the "Army of God" or "Tawhid and Jihad Brigades" -- an "army" being one of Gaza's crime families , the Do'mu'

Hart's first book was a laudatory biography of the criminal Yassir Arafat. Many Palestinians would not see Arafat from Hart's point of view.

In 2007, Hart delivered the keynote address at the Empower India Conference in Banagalore, sponsored by the Muslim political organization Popular Front for India. He focused on India opposing Israel and resisting America.

Hart has made many such addresses ... all the same theme.

That he now promotes an extraordinary fable surrounding 9/11 is not surprising.

All Hart's claims are consistent with his fantastic conspiracy theories with Isreal and the USA at the centre.
Posted by Danielle, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:06:21 AM
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Arjay,

As one of the few realists corresponding on this article today, may I commend to you the story of an ex-AIPAC supporter in the US, Richard Forer, himself a Jew, but now an honest one.

This article by Paul J. Balles ” charts the journey of Richard Forer, an American Jew brought up on Israeli propaganda, who had his early beliefs challenged by friends and, consequently, embarked on an honest study of the facts of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. As a result, he underwent a monumental transformation.”

http://www.redress.cc/americas/pjballes20110419

It is very relevant to the article today and to those who subscribe to the truth.

Good to see you in print again.
Posted by rexw, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:11:11 AM
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There was nothing wrong with Israel's 1967 pursuing and beating the Arab armies that attacked it, including the very timely preemptive air-strike: Israel should have gone even further in to destroy all the rest of the Arab armies and beat them to dust, which would have been possible had it not diverted forces to control and establish itself the occupied areas, then bring its soldiers back home.

The problem is with the occupation that followed.

Once victory was achieved, Israel should have washed it hands and demonstrated that it is a peace-loving nation with no interest in more territory.

But as Alan said, it was a military coup. I wonder why he failed to mention one of the main reasons for the occupation: Moshe Dayan's obsession with Archaeology and his private illicit archaeological collection, which he hoped to enhance with artifacts looted from the occupied territories: http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/JHS/Articles/article_27.htm
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:45:11 PM
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This article appears to be a promo for Hart's book.

Due to the "call to war" rhetoric and military offensive by Arabs, Israel had no option but to attack when it did. Had it waited, it would have witnessed Nasser's objective - the destruction of Israel. Nasser stated:

"We shall enter with its soil saturated in blood." ... "The National aim: the eradication of Israel."

Terrorist attacks against Israel increased. In the first four months of 1967, with 37 attacks.

On April 7, 1967 Israel shot down six Syrian miGs over its territory.

May 16th 1967, Nasser ordered out the UN Emergency Force stationed in Sinai since 1956.

May 15th 1967, Egyptian troops massed near the Israeli border.

Once the UNEF withdrew, Voice of the Arabs (May 18, 1967) announced:

"The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence."

May 18th 1967, Syrian troops massed along the Golan Heights.

May 20th 1967, Syrian Defence Minister Hafez Assad pronounced:

"I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation"

Almost daily, Nasser challenged Israel to fight.

27th May, 1967: "Our basis objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

cont ...
Posted by Danielle, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 3:21:25 PM
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28th May, 1967: "We will not accept any ... co-existnce with Israel... Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between Arab states and Israel... The war with Israel is in effect since 1948"

30th May, 1967, King Hussein of Jordan's signed a defence pact with Egypt, Nasser trumpeted:

"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel ... standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. ... Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations."

June 4th 1967, Iraq joined the military alliance with Egypt, Jordan and Syria, President Abdur Rahman Aref of Iraq declared:

"Our goal is clear - to wipe Israel off the map."

Arab forces mobilized: 250,000 troops (approximately half in the Sinia), more than 2000 tanks, and 700 aircraft ringed Israel.

Israel's only option was to strike first. On June 5, 1967 the order was given.

Hart may not understand the significance of Arab rhetoric and the military manouevres, but any military man would ... as indeed, would any reasonable person.

If Hart believes Arab intentions to Israel were benign, he is completely out of touch with reality.
Posted by Danielle, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 3:23:31 PM
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I'm afraid that I agree.

Alan Hart has as much credibility as a week-old bagel.

In fact, if I were a 9/11 conspiracy nut, I would have despaired when he came out as a supporter. "Oh no, not him. With supporters like Alan Hart, who needs opponents..." and so on.

This from Wikipedia:

"In May 2010, Hart stated on various media, including the Kevin Barrett Show, that consultants close [to] one the world’s most prominent construction compan[ies] assured him that 'The twin towers were brought down by a controlled ground explosion, not the planes.'"

Wow, that's convincing. A "consultant" who was "close" to "one the world’s most prominent construction compan[ies]"

Or, as one of the conspiracy-nut sites reports:

"... he has been assured by a top-level demolitions/engineering expert who wishes to remain anonymous..."

I can certainly understand the need for anonymity. Just imagine how much he would earn on the late-night-show circuit, if he actually i) believed his own story and ii) was confident enough to put his name to it. He'd obviously feel very bad about earning millions of dollars.

Fact is, he was probably just another conspiracy nut, with a half-baked conspiracy theory.

The clincher, you see Arjay, is that there is absolutely no evidence to support those "theories". Lots of speculation about motive - heaps of those, in fact, all different - but no credibility as to either means, or opportunity.

It really is time you let go. It's damaging your ability to reason and to think clearly. Which cannot be a good thing.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 5:43:34 PM
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It is easy and wrong to blame the Jews...... David.f.........Thats what all paranoid do, when they try to justified themselves.

We know the problems are bigger than religion.

Jewish are by far, the best religions.

And the most intelligent.....Nor do they ever bother anyone, with there hard-work.

Thats why they dont like.

LEAP
Posted by Quantumleap, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 7:31:30 PM
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Danielle have look,thisw is a must see; http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/trades-hall-president-kevin-bracken-calls-911-conspiracy/story-e6frf7kx-1225941158523

The Herald Sun ran sTory on Kevin Bracken the President of the Vict Trades hall Council.Julia Gillard even mentioned Kevin's name in Parliament,calling his words stupid and wrong. The is is very revealing.Have close look at the picture of the South Tower the Herald Sun Chose.The top part which is supposed to be the pile driver crushing the lower floors according to NIST,is pitched at an angle of 22deg.The top part of the South tower should have continued on that vector and fallen over but on youtube,you can see it pulverise itself into dust.If the top above the plane crash disintergrated itself what was the pile driver that crushed the lower floors? NIST ( the national Institute for Standards and Technology) theory is shot to pieces They admit that they cannot explain freefall speeds and much of the detail after the collapse.NIST virtually stopped its enquiry at the plane impact.This is why,among hundreds of other reasons http://www.ae911truth.org/ and many other organisations are asking for a full in depth enquiry into 911.

The Herald Sun also on this day conducted a survey and 77% of 10,000 respondents agreed with Kevin Bracken.They do not believe the official story.In Germany it is higher @ 85% as with the people of New York.

We need a new in depth enquiry now!
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:20:42 PM
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You are still clutching at straws, I notice Arjay.

>>The Herald Sun also on this day conducted a survey and 77% of 10,000 respondents agreed with Kevin Bracken.<<

Not true.

The question was not about the facts, or even about the theories.

The question was "Do you think Kevin Bracken's comments were reasonable?"

"Agree" does not appear anywhere. Nor can it be inferred.

I find the comments of many people here on OLO "reasonable", but it doesn't mean that I agree with a single word of them.

And where on earth did you find this nonsense?

>>In Germany it is higher @ 85% as with the people of New York.<<

What question were they asked, Arjay?

C'mon, let's see some facts, none of this fake "I agree" rubbish.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 1:22:01 PM
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Dear Arjay and Pericles,

The number of people who believe something is true is not evidence of truth.

John Adams,the second president of the United States, said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

At one time many people believed that a pantheon of gods existed. Now monotheism is more fashionable. There is no evidence for either.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 1:56:33 PM
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David f just look at the scientific forensic evidence here http://www.ae911truth.org/ There are also hundreds of other here; http://patriotsquestion911.com/ who were leaders of contries,high ranking military/Govt officials ex-cia, 400 hundred professors,scientists,200+ in the entertainment industry,400+ Medical Drs and 1400+ Architects and engineers.

Should we not have a proper enquiry?
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 3:32:48 PM
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Arjay,

Look at the names of the sites you provided ... doesn't that give you pause for thought?

Read physicists' explanation of 9/11 ... and who address the conspiracy theories.

Manuel Garcia, Jr: The Physics of 9/11
http://www.counterpunch.org/physic11282006.html

Nutty 9-11 Physics
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911nutphysics.htm

"Apparently, the melting of steel signifies the use of explosives or thermite cutting charges. But the purpose of either is to cut steel, not melt it. A controlled demolition simply does not produce large amounts of molten steel. You might as well argue that all the concrete dust shows the buildings were taken down by an army of gnomes armed with grinding wheels."

Implosion World, a site dedicated to controlled building collapse,
http://www.implosionworld.com/wtc.htm
Posted by Danielle, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 4:27:08 PM
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Good Try Danielle but it didn't work .I have met Prof Steven Jones a Physicist,Prof Niels Harrit and Dr Frank Legg( the Australian scientist).It was Neils Harritt who led the team of 9 international scientists that proved scientificly that nano thermite,a highly sophistocated explosive was found in the dust of all 3 buildings at WTC.Building 7 which no plane impacted came down at freefall speeds in a controlled demolition style 7 hrs later.Nano thermite cannot be made in a backyard lab.Only advanced Military sources had that technology.

It is interesting to note that the US also is using nano technology to make mini-nukes that can fit on the end of a cannon shell.

Your attempts to discredit all these people will do your cause no good.So why not have an international investigation with all the evidence presented?

The wars by the USA are expanding and with a new candidate like Donald Trump saying they should just take the Libyan oil and give them a bit for development,the alarm bells should be ringing.They want to attack Iran but have yet to find a good excuse.China and Russia have a defence pact with Iran.With Fukushima out of control,the last thing we need is a mini-nuke war instigated by the USA Global Corporates.

It is in all our interests to reveal the truth and stop the wars of imperialism.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 5:22:38 PM
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Arjay,

OLO contributors can do a "search" for Prof Steven Jones, Prof Niels Harrit and Dr Frank Leg and determine their relative credentials and academic rigour for themselves.

The more I find out, the more I dismiss them as credible. But others can make their own assessments.

Of interest ... Prof Niels Harrit shared a stage with Holocaust denier Kevin Barrett in London on 7/7/2009, the 4th anniversary of the tube bombings, but rather than discuss this, Harrit focussed on 9/11. Methinks somewhat prejudiced ...
Posted by Danielle, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 7:34:02 PM
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Danielle,Do you understand why it is impossible for any building constructed of steel and concrete to collapse at freefall speeds into its own footprint, leaving almost no evidence of the layered concrete structures?Look at the Christchurch earthquake.Many of the large buildings fell over.They did not explode into dust or leave pools of molten steel.

It means that a force greater than gravity had to sequentially deconstruct the buildings in a co-ordinated fashion.This is called controlled demolition.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 10:56:53 PM
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Nice posts, Danielle. Hadn't come across the "Nutty 9-11 Physics" site before.

You won't get Arjay to address the points it makes, though. He is having far too much fun hobnobbing with the geniuses who have manufactured a gravy-train for themselves out of 9-11. How these idiots can look themselves in the mirror each day, knowing that they are profiting from the misery of so many people, is a mystery to me. Can you imagine what it must be like, to have lost a husband, wife, son, daughter, whatever, and have these clowns constantly tell you that they were murdered by their own government?

You are losing your touch, though, Arjay.

>>Look at the Christchurch earthquake.Many of the large buildings fell over.They did not explode into dust or leave pools of molten steel.<<

That probably qualifies as the least smart rationale you've so far offered. And there's no shortage of competition for that title.

Have you experienced an earthquake? If you had, you would know instinctively, without the aid of 1,500 US architects, that its effect on a building is substantially different to either i) a controlled demolition or ii) a fully-loaded plane smacking into its superstructure.

I know, you are too committed to this fantasy to drop it any time soon. But do try to maintain some basic standards.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:33:32 AM
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Why has this thread been diverted into discussing a 9/11 conspiracy theory? The author of the article is apparently a nutter who goes in for conspiracy theories, but that was not the thrust of the article.

The title of the article is "Why does Israel have a veto over the peace process?" The title assumes that Israel has a veto over the peace process. That assumption is false, and the article does nothing to establish the validity of that assumption.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 21 April 2011 9:36:41 AM
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Well Daneille started the argument trying to denergrate Alan Hart because he espouses that 911 needs a new investigation.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 21 April 2011 12:38:32 PM
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Arjay,

Those demolition 'experts' must have been pretty stupid, dropping those buildings almost straight down, if as you say, it is impossible for it to happen naturally. If they were experts, they would know that. So why didn't they simulate a standard sort of building collapse, lop-sided, crap everywhere, all over the place ? Just put demolition charges down one side of the buildings ? Why bother with precise ? Perhaps they are not so smart ? Or perhaps they didn't do it ? Perhaps those planes weren't actually holograms after all ?

And why on earth did they need to wire up a third building with explosives, when they must also have been aware that it wasn't going to be hit by a plane ? Isn't it possible that the collapse of two 300-metre buildings right next door to it might have destabilised its foundations enough to - a few hours later - bring it down ? Does it happen a few hours after an earthquake, that a building collapses without warning ?

Those are two aspects which YOU need to explain, Arjay.
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 22 April 2011 5:28:58 PM
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Loudmouth,WTC 7 the third building of 47 stories was supposed to come down hidden amidst the dust of the towers.Had it not been for the delay in the demolition of WTC 7,they would have pulled it off sucesssfully.WTC 7 had to go since it housed CIA,FBI and ENRON.It was packed with evidence.No plane hit WTC 7 but it came down in its' own footprint in a controlled demolition style,defying the laws of maths and physics.

So let's have a new investigation looking at all the evidence.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 22 April 2011 10:13:28 PM
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Sorry, Arjay, I'm a bit thick, especially on a Friday night ~)

Are you saying that the third building was wired for demolition but the timing didn't work, it didn't blow up when it should have, only a few hours later ? Are you saying that 'they' still blew it up, regardless of any planes hitting it, or any other obvious reason why it should suddenly explode and fall down ?

Why couldn't they simply seal of the area (oh, I forgot, they did, for days) and take all those incriminating papers out of the third building, at their leisure ? Why did they need to blow it up at all ? If they had simply un-wired the building, removed all evidence of wiring and explosives and detonators, then removed all the documents they liked, who would have been any the wiser ?

How many people might have been involved in such a vast (47 storeys, that's not a chook shed) enterprise - and nobody has ever spilled the beans ? I mean, this is America we are talking about, not all that many kangaroos in the top paddock.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 23 April 2011 1:01:04 AM
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I read a quote by James which was approx.
"Everybody knows about Israel even Israelis. The whole show there is based on theft and murder and deception. And Rupert Murdoch can't cover for them forever".
Posted by RespectnJustice4all, Saturday, 23 April 2011 8:37:38 AM
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Onya, Arjay. I can see now that I was completely and hopelesly wrong about everything. I have now converted to your way of thinking, and I have discovered some more compelling information for you.

You will be interested to know that the Port Arthur massacre was really instagited by the CIA to disarm Australia for a US invasion. Prime Minister Harold Holt was picked up by a Chinese submarine, and he is now living in Peking with a harem of Chinese girls thoughtfully provided by the Chinese government.

The Americans never landed on the moon, Elvis is alive and well and is living in Pensacola, those darstardly Americans have the remains of the crew of a crashed flying saucer, and both Bush and Obama are secret Jews.
Posted by LEGO, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 6:11:13 AM
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