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The motherlode: women's struggle turns 100 : Comments

By Evelyn Tsitas, published 14/3/2011

While conditions for women in the first world are superficially good they are still appalling almost everywhere else.

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My oh my, look how all of the usual narrow minded curmudgeons have come out of the wood-work today!
Posted by Ho Hum, Monday, 14 March 2011 7:55:24 PM
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Ho Hum,

"The Every Mother Counts website is not at all narcissistic, nor is it about Western women."

Non-western women don't have the luxury of the endless navel gazing we see here. They don't have government departments, laws and endless millions spent creating a sense of entitlement.

"Which ARE the emotionally causative sub-stratum (or unconscious child-hood Oedipal script) of everything that every single one of us dramatizes in EVERY moment of our lives."

This sentence could only come from someone who sucks from the public teat. Which womyn's studies department do you work in?
Posted by dane, Monday, 14 March 2011 8:27:00 PM
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<men value the work of women.> <men have always valued the work of women>

Men don’t value the work of women, they treated women’s work as a God given service. It is only now when women have their own income and the freedom of choice that brings, that men are finding out that if they bung on the old attitude, women will very quickly leave the situation. It takes women having their own money and the support of social services that allows them not to have to endure being subservant to any man as was the case in the old days., When men so valued women’s work.(written with sarcasm).

I had an aunt who used to have to write down every little thing she bought on a piece of paper while the husband who demanded this, thought nothing of spending big amounts betting on the horses or drinking.

This is the kind of tyranny women were subject to in the good old days before women changed things by gaining financial independence.
I agree it would have been better if woman’s liberation could have gained the same financial renumeration for woman in their role as mothers instead of as now having paid strangers taking care of their young babies and toddlers. So if women had to leave their homes and their babies to be given any sort of financial equality or regular breaks from childrearing it is the fault of the men for refusing to address the Charles Dickens workhouse conditions that mothers were subject to.

The fault lays at the feet of men who only wanted control of women. Who still do in most of the world today or they would have worked out some deal with the United Nations long ago to use foreign aid to provide world wide contraception and medical aid to women. The fact is most of the men in the United Nations don’t want to lose their tyrannical control over women.
Until they address this problem the misery, war, famine and pollution in the world will continue at an ever accelerating rate.
Posted by CHERFUL, Monday, 14 March 2011 8:43:48 PM
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Cherful,

I don't know of any country where the life expectancy of women is less than men.

India would be typical of many developing countries. Its mortality rate is not high because of post-natal care or women's issues, but because of more usual problems, such as lack of sewage treatment or lack of safe drinking water, that effect both males and females.

"Diarrheal diseases, the primary cause of early childhood mortality, are linked to inadequate sewage disposal and lack of safe drinking water. Roughly 50 percent of all illness is attributed to poor sanitation; in rural areas, about 80 percent of all children are infected by parasitic worms. Estimates in the early 1980s suggested that although more than 80 percent of the urban population had access to reasonably safe water, fewer than 5 percent of rural dwellers did. Waterborne sewage systems were woefully overburdened; only around 30 percent of urban populations had adequate sewage disposal, but scarcely any populations outside cities did. In 1990, according to United States sources, only 3 percent of the rural population and 44 percent of the urban population had access to sanitation services, a level relatively low by developing nation standards. There were better findings for access to potable water: 69 percent in the rural areas and 86 percent in urban areas, relatively high percentages by developing nation standards. In the mid-1990s, about 1 million people die each year of diseases associated with diarrhea."

http://www.indianchild.com/life_expectany_mortality_india.htm

Never believe anything said by a feminist or a journalist, without first checking it with several other sources.

In Australia, feminists and journalists are normally the same thing, as both are normally trained in universities.
Posted by vanna, Monday, 14 March 2011 9:05:36 PM
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Yes, but you see, Vanna, what they're saying is that this inequality of distribution of wealth and opportunity seems skewed against women, kids and the poor, some thing has been proposed since before Marx.
Some feminists have taken it the next step and offered the opinion that its not just class related, but also gender related, and given how little it would take to remedy things like fresh water ($50 billion globally to ensure everyone has access to fresh water, from 1990's figures), you wonder if our institutions are indeed dominated by men of a certain class ( with some middle class female fellow travellers in tow, for appearances sake) who can't empathise through lack of personal experience with those less well off.
Many women take the feminism thing seriously, because when you look at some of the laws relating to property and so forth, it wasn't long ago that western women were caught up in this cycle of powerlessness and poverty and had to fight hard to have the more stupid ideas, like a woman giving up her property to her husband, upon marriage, got rid of.
The women's movement is like the trade union movement. It emerged as a response to a situation that had many suffering unfairly and out of a fight for survival. As friends keep telling me, it is pointless arguing, they have their tails up and are no more going to give up what they've fought for than the average worker in a factory wants to go back to a WorkChoices type environment. But more than that, because there is still much to do, helping the global poor (women and kids suffer the worst from this) drag themselves out of the mess history has put them in.
Posted by paul walter, Monday, 14 March 2011 11:41:50 PM
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Paul Walter,
Access to property makes little difference. In our feminist society, a woman can walk into a marriage with no money, and walk out with the children and the majority of the assets.

But as I have mentioned in a previous post, motherhood in this country is in a deplorable state, and it can’t get much worse, and most of that deplorable state of motherhood is not attributable to men.

There wouldn’t be one area of motherhood that has improved in recent years, and most probably the only way to improve motherhood in this country would be for men to take much more control of families.

They need to do this as a part of “Save The Child”.
Posted by vanna, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 5:46:40 AM
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