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From her own mouth she is condemned : Comments

By Leon Bertrand, published 11/3/2011

Buying the Greens by breaking an election promise might be the ticket to a short and ignominious term for Gillard and Labor.

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jonj you ignore the fact and the timming
of the change of policy..

there was clear FRAUD in the numbers
there was deliberated changing of numbers

there was real reasons for changing policy
this allways was horwards sceme..[encouraged by turncoat
[turning spin into bull]..to trade in carbon credits

picked up by rudd...[the howard plan]
then juliar and the faceless men decided it couldnt be sold
so dropped it...[till after the election]

now its still the.. howard/bull-turn plan
with a fixed price to underpin the price
before letting the carbon traiter's
mates of mr[turn bull into spin]
and spin into a nice new tradable commodity

that will fix nothing
yet supposedly tax 36 billion from the poluters
to subsidize the self same poluters..

why a tax
to compensate the ones being taxed?
how insane is that?

[if you think the poor are getting any of it
..lets hear your proof]

[use your real name to prove
your certainly who you claim to be]

thing is we are being conned..[again]..by the ju-liar
and howard and turncoat plan
..to get a new commodity tax

read your damm electricty bill
[it has allready got how much carbon *YOU USE on it]

the only uncertainty is HOW MUCH PER TON
$25 wasnt enough for the greens ..last time

i hear it will start* at 36$..ton
but will soon go as high as the market-FORCES
[and limited supply ...sends it up to]

and guess who will be paying...
regardless of how much it goes up to?

or loose your power supply
or loose your car
Posted by one under god, Monday, 14 March 2011 7:15:07 AM
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remember this gas is in bread
in coke..[softdrink]..in your bubbly chocolate
is in your breath..is emited by your burnt snags

everyone using electicty or petro fuel
or just breathing produces it
only producers will be taxed?

its ok for the rich[big poluters]
they will pass it on

it will increase inflation
and in the end ...only the poor will pay
the rich just increase their prices[inflation]
and get govt bailouts..compensation...[NAME WHO GETS WHAT]

use specific prices
the working numbers

its loose/loose

then the guilt adverts begin
about how you going broke is good
how mss couragous and the carbon traiters..saved the world

this tax will raise billions..[46 billion per annum
is the working number]

thus no numbers are to be released...NOW
how can we have any TRUE DEBATE..without knowing the real numbers

so m/rabbit uses the old numbers
that wernt big enough last time
they are conservative..

this hidious sceme
is serving the money men
to get a new carbon credit trading floor price
who's floor price will be set initally by govt malfeasance

then BY..*market forces..
[and an ever lower carbon limit..
will set the new carbon price...

the sky is the limit]

yet carbobdioxide
is ONLY ONE greenhouse-GAS
TAX them all..or none

especially methane
[from home greenies composting and mining]
and nitrous oxide from farming..

recall cfc's..[the ozone hole]

in a few years..
GUESS WHO IS NEXT?
Posted by one under god, Monday, 14 March 2011 7:21:00 AM
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someone shopuld write a question for qanda
juliar gilliarhard is on tonight

re methane
or nitrouse oxide

the landline program,
reported on the greenhouse polutant nitrous oxide
[300 times worse than co2]

it might be on this link
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2010/s3162720.htm

if not it will be on this one
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2010/s3162717.htm

anyhow about one third of all nitrogen
applied to farms gets turned into nitrous oxide..
[300 times worse per part ..than one part of co2]

there followed this report
with a guy who talked sense re carbon tax etc

he revealed some scary info..scary as in
it costs 20 trillion to remove .0001 percent of co2
so clearly taxing it ..is of no use whatsoever

thus the tax is a fraud..a clear scam

he said we would be bettter off
putting our money into research..
to find alternatives..

this would require less than we are wasting on solar scams
and the solar hotwater subsidies..that do little or nothing

only needing of arround a billion per year
not the 35 to 46 BILLION the tax will rake in

this link links to part one
also interesting
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2010/s3156370.htm

these links deserve their own topic
or at least answer ...by the red devil..
[with huge hips and narrow shoulders..and faceless buddies]
Posted by one under god, Monday, 14 March 2011 6:03:29 PM
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extracted from
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1350811/In-China-true-cost-Britains-clean-green-wind-power-experiment-Pollution-disastrous-scale.html

leaving aside the damage to the landscape,
nobody is really sure how much carbon is being released by the renewable energy construction boom.

We pay extra for wind power – around twice as much – because it can’t compete with other forms of electricity generation.

Under the Renewable Obligation (RO), suppliers have to buy a percentage of their electricity from renewable generators and can hand that cost on to consumers.

If they don’t, they pay a fine instead.


There’s a simple beauty about RO for the government. Even though it’s defined as a tax, it doesn’t come out of pay packets but is stuck on our electricity bills.

That has made funding wind farms a lot easier for the government than more cost-effective energy-efficiency measures.

‘If you want a grant for an energy conservation project on your house,’ says Helen McDade, ‘the money comes from taxes.

Already, RO adds £1.4 billion to our bills each year to provide a pot of money to pay power companies for their ‘green’ electricity. By 2020, the figure will have risen to somewhere between £5 billion and £10 billion.

When he was Chancellor, Gordon Brown added another decade to these price guarantees, extending the RO scheme to 2037, guaranteeing the subsidy for more than a quarter of a century.


‘You go to a landowner,’ McDade says, ‘and offer him what is peanuts to an energy company yet keeps him happily on his estate so they can put up a wind farm, which in turn raises ordinary people’s electricity bills.

There’s a social issue here that doesn’t get discussed.’

By 2020, environmental regulation will be adding 31 per cent to our bills. That’s £160 green tax out of an average annual bill of £512. As costs rise, more people will be driven into fuel poverty.

It’s a view shared by his successor Chris Huhne, who says inflation due to RO will be effectively one per cent. Britain’s low-income families, facing hikes in petrol and food costs, will hope he’s right.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1350811/In-China-true-cost-Britains-clean-green-wind-power-experiment-Pollution-disastrous-scale.html#ixzz1GcSKFFIK
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 9:33:19 AM
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