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Women who cry wolf : Comments

By Elizabeth Lakey, published 10/2/2011

Women are not always the victim, and it is a perversion of feminism to portray them as such.

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Nina

We used to think that rape was about power to men. It seems from your post that some women are perfectly capable of getting on a power trip.

Pelican

"However, I cannot agree that a drunk person is in a state to agree to have sex."

Good luck convincing many young women that they cannot decide whether or not to have sex after a dozen drinks but men can. Most young men won't listen to you either. You will only feed the idea that the rules are for suckers, which is part of the problem. The whole idea smacks of paternalism. It says something disturbing that a man and a woman can be equally drunk, she is seen as incapable of deciding to have sex, but he is expected to act as responsibly as a sober person.
Posted by benk, Thursday, 10 February 2011 4:24:40 PM
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elizabeth. I had an article published on a similar theme on this site, seven years ago: http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=2126

it's from personal experience.
Posted by Rose C, Thursday, 10 February 2011 6:17:16 PM
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Pelly....

//I don't think it had anything to do with dress sense.//

Let's change that to "I THINK it has to do with COMMON sense" aaah.. that has a better ring to it.

Perilous bit hook line and sinker.. now moving from 'bait' to..'switch' :)

Of course I sound like the 'dingbat' sheikh.. but here is how I see it.

Soldier in Iraq is told, 'don't go on the road through this village there are IED's everywhere'..and that knowitall/been there done that soldier ignores the warning..and of course is blown to kingdom come.

Who's fault ? HIS fault!

Woman is told "Sus.. if you wander around the cross late at night dressed like THAT... there are more rapists in this area than any other in Sydney"... Susan ignores the advice..and of course..she is RAPED.. who's fault ? HER fault!

Women are advised "Slutty clothes could contribute to a marginally sane man thinking it is an invitation to come get it".. she ignores it..and is raped. Who's fault? go figure.

DRUNK WOMEN....who say "yes" to a man asking for 'it' are guilty of their own misdeeds. There is no ENTITLEMENT for sex outside of permission.. get over yourselves.

Nina.. you should do some anti feminist deprogramming re-education.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Thursday, 10 February 2011 7:54:35 PM
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A couple of months ago a female teacher in WA was gaoled for having sex with two 'boys' aged 15 and 16.

If she was not their teacher then having sex with the 16 year old may have been within the law. Not so the 15 year old.

But she was their teacher and she should have been gaoled, and obviously she was.

But there is a twist in this story. She was drunk at the time: this was agreed by the prosecution and the defence. Yes, she was drunk.

Now, normally when a male has sex with a woman who has been drinking heavily, who is unable to provide informed consent, then he is liable for investigation and possibly being charged with aggravated sexual assault with a trial to follow.

So here we actually have a crime with three victimes, the two boys who were abused sexually by their drunken teacher, and a drunken teacher who was unable to provide informed consent to what the two young men (at 15 and 16 are these really children?) did with her body. Of course only the teacher was punished, not the two young men who took advantage of her drunken state.

Does anyone else think 'double standard' here?
Posted by Dougthebear, Thursday, 10 February 2011 9:21:37 PM
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DRUNK WOMEN....who say "yes" to a man asking for 'it' are guilty of their own misdeeds. There is no ENTITLEMENT for sex outside of permission.. get over yourselves.

"Forgive this bloke God our Father for he knows NOT what he is talking about at all".
Posted by weareunique, Thursday, 10 February 2011 9:24:37 PM
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weareunique wrote "There is no ENTITLEMENT for sex outside of permission.."

Permission is not the issue, informed consent is.
Posted by Dougthebear, Thursday, 10 February 2011 9:26:15 PM
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