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Not Worth a Plug Nickel : Comments

By Alex Stuart, published 24/12/2010

All the real world evidence available says that carbon markets will fail because all of them have so far.

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Blue, a lot of Greens (not all) want a better egalitarian, social and environmental world. That's a fine philosophy. But as many before them
have found out, turning a philosophy into political actions, doesn't work. Placing a carbon price will make everyone pay more for living
in an advanced society. Be one city or a rural dweller. The most rIdiculous TV ads on SBS are ' If we cut Carbon emissions to nil today, there are so many cattle and sheep (ruminants) that will continue global warming for the next 100 year when we will die... eat Veg. GO GREEN and save the planet. And believe it or not, people believe this crap and misinformation.

Methane with nitrous oxide makes up 1% of GHG. Most comes from the oceans. And if we humans eat more veg and fruit, we will be increasing our methane production. Every burp and fart you make contains methane. So while the Greens are saying this, they also say
let's depopulate the world too. Now how are we going to do this? Either become gay or non breeders, or kill off a few billion people by
an epidemic or global COOLING! GLOBAL COOLING WILL KILL OFF MORE ANIMALS AND PEOPLE THAN GLOBAL WARMING. AND ONCE AN ICE AGE SETS IN
THERE'S NO TURNING BACK FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT, BUT WE CAN LEARN TO ADAPT TO IT.
Posted by Bush bunny, Thursday, 30 December 2010 6:44:58 PM
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Michael Rowan, the few I alluded to are the 52 individuals who wrote the final “Summary for Policy Makers” issued by the IPCC. This document then had to be signed off by bureaucrats of the United Nations, which is a political, not a scientific body, pursuing a political agenda.

The stated positions of many scientific organizations are put forward by governing committees without reference to the membership at large. I will give you an example. Last year the executive committee (6 individuals) of the Geological Society of Australia, of which I am a member, enunciated a position statement on climate change generally endorsing the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming (AGW). This was done without any reference to the 2,500 strong membership and prompted expressions of outrage among many members. An informal poll was conducted with a majority expressing disapproval of the statement and the manner it was presented It was subsequently withdrawn.

You have to be aware that many of those in control of scientific organizations world wide are directly or indirectly dependent on government funding and will follow the government line. Many scientists have built lucrative careers by jumping on the global warming gravy train and are hardly likely to bite the hand that feeds them. There are many sceptics of AGW out there. Check out the US Senate Minority Report in which over 700 distinguished scientists from many countries and many disciplines outline their reasons for their opposition to the concept of AGW. (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport) (Click on the link to the December 11, 2008 Update).

Having said all this, in science it is evidence and facts, not majority opinion, which count. This was demonstrated 400 years ago when the majority opinion was that the Sun orbited Earth. Poor old Galileo copped quite a bit of stick for saying the reverse was the case. He was right of course
Posted by Mistaya, Thursday, 30 December 2010 11:59:09 PM
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Anyone who, knowing that temperature rise leads to CO2 level rise, thinks this is cause to believe CO2 rise is not cause for alarm is seriously deluded. It is not proof or even evidence that CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas. On the contrary, past historical instances of this phenomena show that even greater warming is set in train by the additional CO2. This phenomena is reason for serious concern because it means CO2 emissions from natural sources will grow in response to rising temperatures, and in combination with human emissions, will more quickly overwhelm natural carbon sinks and increase the amount of warming due to the greenhouse effect. As well as more rapidly change ocean pH.
Posted by Ken Fabos, Friday, 31 December 2010 8:25:39 AM
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