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Made in Dagenham : Comments

By John Töns, published 29/10/2010

How far has wage equality really come?

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Dear Al,

You are a veritable fountain of information...in the genes, eh.
Fancy there being a "socialist gene".
I presume I would qualify as coming under your banner of "others of their ilk".
I'm sure your contempt and irritation of our views is tempered, not only by your new found compassion, but also by the knowledge that obviously we represent conclusive evidence of the forward nature of evolution.
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 30 October 2010 8:21:49 AM
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Aaaaah dear Poirot :) Hi 5!

That was an excellent comeback.

Perhaps another one would be to look up the other side of the research coin and see that there is supposed to be a "conservative" gene !

The presense of 7R variant of the DRD4 in Liberals, is also testimony to the ABSENCE of such a gene in conservatives eh.

But to make things clear.. I only get irritated when rationality is thrown off the Westgate by liberals who appear unable to detect a fact even if it was as plain as a feather after a pillow is hurled into an industrial fan.

There are a number of simple examples.

"ISLAM"

-Liberal view "It is a religion of peace"
-Conservative view "It is a fascist ideology aimed at world domination through fair means or foul"

"CHRISTIANITY"

Liberal view:" It is a misogynistic, homophobic, patriarchal, racist, violent ideology"

Conservative Christian view "It is a wonderful experience where racism, sexism and male 'dominance' are 'bitch-slapped' out of the male female equation and gives clear guidance regarding human behavior"

"SOCIALISM"

Liberal view: "everyone is equal, compassion for all, inclusive, tolerant and utopian... money will never run out"

Conservitive view: "Intolerant, invalid,unworkable, tyrannical, Christ-phobic,anti God, morphs into 'state capitalism' where the 'party' members live in inbridled luxury while they spout 'people power' slogans to the poverty stricken proletariat who now have no further political choice in the matter.

The history industrial relations at the FORD plant in Dagenham is clear tesimony to the correctness of the Convervative view :)

Original workforce = Approx 50,000
Industrial action 1968-71
Final Workforce = 2000 (engine plant)

but GUESS WHO is living the high life ? :) aaaah the good old UNION BOSSES....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/9040082.stm

Bob Crow.. p$140,000 /year.. members ? ooops.. maybe $12-20,000

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5960724/Trade-union-leaders-receive-huge-pay-rises-despite-redundancies-and-salary-cuts-among-members.html

I hereby declare the 'conservative' view correct and the liberal view 'gene disabled' :)
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 30 October 2010 10:22:02 AM
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They didn't seem too concerned that this might make it hard for me to manage child care responsibilities, ..
Antiseptic,
Would I be far off the mark in coming to the conclusion that Julia Gillard, Wayne Swan & Anna Bligh did their training with CSA ?
Posted by individual, Saturday, 30 October 2010 10:35:08 AM
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What a load of feminist lies and cliches...

Want to know why women earn less than men?

Firstly the reasons are AVERAGE, TYPICAL, TREND, DEMOGRAPHIC things... of course there are many exceptions... but the AVERAGE is that women earn less for two reasons...

1: Men do all the dirty, dangerous and low status jobs (and remote ones - think offshore oil rigs, mining) Most cleaners now are men. Last time I was up at three am I was rather merry, but the only people I saw working were cops, security, barmen, cab drivers, long-distance truckies, and prostitutes. In effect they are all prostitutes, putting their bodies on the line for cash... and except for some of the 'prostitutes', all men. Why do men do this work? Because it pays better (and it needs to)

2: Women don't work long... To get to be CEO, or anybody else top in their field, you have to put in long years of long hours. TYPICALLY Women are working average hours in their 20's, but once they have a child, they never work seriously (for money) again. The idea that women are working more full-time is feminist myth. More part-time perhaps, but not full-time. 40 years ago 30% of women worked full time, and so also 30 years ago and 10 years ago...

It's all there in the meticulously researched "Why Men Earn More" by Dr Warren Farrell. If you disagree with me, read the book. It is good to read books you disagree with.

Parttimeparent@pobox.com
Posted by partTimeParent, Saturday, 30 October 2010 11:39:33 AM
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Women who set out for a lengthy career can do very well out of affirmative action policies though. Relatively few women choose the life of a wage slave but those who do face little competition from other women for the many plum positions that are made available to women through the (wrong) assumption that a 50:50 gender 'balance' is essential to prove the existence of equality in the workplace. I have promoted women over and over again to middle and senior management positions only to lose them because they can call the shots and few will stay for the complete cycle of tasks for their role. This is why for example, that women such as Sallyanne Atkinson can end up chairing a major company (the failed ABC Learning) without ever realising that senior managers and particularly the CEO have fiduciary responsibilities such as their financial accountabilities that cannot be left to an underling.

So many women in organisations want a highly paid position solely to 'manage staff' which, judging by their lack of interest in the nature of the work they are involved in, must mean shedding their own accountabilities to their over-worked, long-suffering subordinates. Frankly it doesn't take many like that through a position of responsibility to create wastage below that is seemingly impossible to counteract and the loss of the soldiers who are the creators and 'guardians' of essential operating systems.

However the women who do not rely on a work career do need recognition of the transitions they move through in life and of their vital role in essential work such as raising families, volunteering, caring for elders and other vulnerable people, being the glue of society through linking people and so on. The women's movement is focussed on work and career and has missed and probably abetted the loss of social security and other aged benefits (many lost through user pays) that could sustain women into their old age. It is unrealistic to expect that all or even most women will be able to amass the sort of superannuation that will keep them later.
Posted by Cornflower, Saturday, 30 October 2010 12:32:23 PM
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its interesting..to note how the debait...is flowing..between...male/femail..wage-rates

totally unmentioned..is todays bbc report..of board-members..
voting them-selves..55 percent..increase..on their renumerations
over the past year..

it failed to mention the true cause...
members..boys-club..sitting on multiple boards

they collectivly do so little..all they can talk about
is what they did...on the..'other'..boards..ie increas their pay

board-members..should be paying..much more tax
the tax...they pay should be more..than the tax..the workers pay
[by a factor of 50 times]...just as their..'wage'..[renumeration]..is

[pro-rata...according to..the minutes..they sit...on the bored]
doubled for each...extra board...doubled again..for duel-cityzenry[duel pass-port holders]

and lets not forget death-duties...on corperations
[payable every 30/40 years or so]

and lets get rid of super..for public-servants
and especially..elected govt members

one base pension..should suit..the darn lot-of/em

be they a judge or a cop..or a pen-pusher..on the water..board[or elect-icity-board..or the darling river catchment board..or the wheat board...abc/bored..

no end to their nose..in my trough

im bored..does that qualify..me to sit
[on a board]..with a nail in it?
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 30 October 2010 12:34:22 PM
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