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Afghanistan: can we justify being there? : Comments

By Scott MacInnes, published 19/10/2010

There have to be very good reasons to justify what would otherwise be regarded as murder.

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Spot on, Pete
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 5:25:29 PM
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Mind Numbingly 'secular/progressive/socialist' and thus totally innappropriate article.

McInnes (a 'human rights' consultant=socialist/green) says:

"because a decision to go to war involves a decision to justify killing people, the primary threshold question should always be whether it can be regarded as legally and morally justifiable."

This is incorrect.. it's plain wrong. The PRIMARY question must always be, "Do we need to be there, doing that, for the sake of OUR national security"

So... the legal/moral justification is to SAVE Australian lives and sovereignty from an already proven threat.

That's it...why waste more time every discussion the babble of this erring and political/socialist article?
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 6:07:36 AM
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rexw spells out the truth once again.Iran was a lie along with Afghanistan and if Israel has it's way,we will soon be attacking Iran.

It is all about power,war and profit at the expense of people in resource/energy laden countries and the death/misery of our soldiers.

They are talking about 10 yrs or more of war in Afghanistan.There is also $ 65 billion pa of drugs for your children there being protected by US soldiers.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 6:08:21 AM
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ozandy "I'm hoping that the Greens have some uncomfortable facts for the debate,"

any facts from the greens would be most welcome, they seem to just blather in circles every time I see or hear them .. now that they get more attention than a sound bite, they are revealing themselves as the geese they are.

Did you hear Bob Brown on the 7.30 report? What a confused man, if ever there was an uncomfortable fact it is that he should be in a retirement village

uncomfortable facts .. what sort of uncomfortable facts are you hoping for ozandy?

That terrorism doesn't exist?

Or evidence, that Murdoch is running the war? conspiracies like that and the other one I heard that the US banks are running the war, or the oil companies are running it are just fodder for the greenie blog sites .. when you go to these weird reasoning's about why things happen, you lose sight of what these evil bastards have done .. remember Bali?

when I read your rants like this ozandy, I can't help feeling that some of our scientists, as you claim to be, have lost or are losing the plot - you clearly have an eco leftist stance, and I suspect that influences your work, it certainly influences your arguments.
Posted by rpg, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 6:08:50 AM
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rpg,ozandy is almost right.Murdoch is just the messenger for the Military/Industrial complex the JFK warned us about in the early sixties.He spoke of secret societies who have power and influence our pollies.The reality is there for you to see.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 6:20:35 AM
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>>Does anyone really believe we would be in Afghanistan if the US were not?>>

Nope, we would not. And Gillard actually stated that one reason Australia is in Afghanistan is because of our US alliance.

Now actually that's the only valid reason I can see for being in Afghanistan. However I think in this case it's doing us more harm than good. Therefore I think we should leave.

However, Scott MacInnes and others who want us to pull out, I AM NOT GOING TO LET YOU OFF THE HOOK THAT EASILY.

When (not if) the coalition pulls out life for Afghan women will become HELL ON EARTH. It is bad enough now but it will become infinitely worse. The relationship between Afghan women and the Taliban is like the relationship between Jews and the Nazis except that the women are needed for breeding purposes and therefore cannot be exterminated.

When we left Vietnam million of Vietnamese were forced to flee. They were the original boat people.

I doubt the women of Afghanistan will even have that option.

I think we should leave because protecting Afghan women is not the job of the Australian military. Its job is to protect us.

But I don’t think we should be any doubt of the consequences. Our presence gave Afghan women hope things could be better. Abandoning them to their fate falls into the category of what I would call CRUEL BUT NECESSARY.

Gillard is a feminist. I wonder to what extent her decision to stay is coloured by understanding of the CONSEQUENCES of a pull-out for the women of Afghanistan.

So yes, let’s leave. BUT A LITTLE LESS MORAL POSTURING PLEASE. We will be doing a terrible thing to Afghan women.
Posted by lentaubman, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 7:44:03 AM
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