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An open letter to the Prime Minister from Australia’s secular parents : Comments

By The Australian Secular Lobby, published 5/7/2010

There should be a wall of separation between the religious proselytising ambitions of church recruiters and our children.

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Good article. Hopefully, PM Gillard might take some action to reduce the influence of the powerful Christian lobby on Australian government and public education. Getting rid of chaplains from public schools and replacing them with properly qualified counsellors would be a good start.

As for religious education, I think that teaching kids about the various religions probably has a place in public schools, but actual religious instruction is the province of religious schools, churches, Sunday schools, mosques etc.

I've had a look at the 'Learning From One Another' document that Proxy is so hysterical about. It doesn't purport to teach Islam or Islamic values, but seems to me to be designed to educate students about Islam's place in society. Given the amount of vilification directed at Muslims by Islamophobes, it's probably a good move.

Indeed, that's the sort of treatment that Christianity should receive at public schools, rather than being privileged above other religions and secular thought as it is now. Get rid of the chaplains from our public schools!
Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 5 July 2010 1:20:31 PM
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If ever there was a chance for a secular society it should be now with a non-believer as a Prime Minister. Well, the alternative is Pell's Pal, the feckless Abbott who would turn this country into a Catholic enclave given the power that he would have with most of his front bench, all of the same flock. He would be funding anything that was Catholic, couldn't help himself as he sees that he has such a role in Australia.
Thanks but no thanks and fortunately the voters also see him as a dim-witted politician and he currently is the best of the bunch? Save us!

Well, for all the wrong reasons, not the least is the current love affair with the female media, Gillard will romp in so Abbott shouldn't ever be a problem and the poor old opposition are completely colourless without a shift to someone like Turnbull, so have no fears.

As for Rudd's Sunday leanings, practices which were a matter of convenience in his case, be assured, as a man who was such a blasphemer could never have had any worthy Christian values, just a need to pander to the rightwing church-goers for whatever votes he could muster.

So there it is. A PM by default. Already compomised by Zionists so maybe the Christians will get to her as well. Let's face it, she has shown quite clearly that she will do anything for a vote, even kill off an elected Prime Minister.

Secular? Who knows. But let us hope so.
Posted by rexw, Monday, 5 July 2010 1:42:26 PM
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LOL

and LOL

and ROFLMAO

The secularists here really don't get it.

YOU HAVE LOST THE BATTLE OF THE BEDROOM

We can argue about whether the "meek" or the Jihadis shall inherit the earth. But of one thing we can be certain:

THE UNBORN SHALL NOT INHERIT THE EARTH

The religious are winning because they have more babies - MANY more babies - than the secular.

Who is going to have a bigger influence on the future of Britain:

(Childless) Germaine Greer?

or

Essma Marjam (34 with six children)?

See: http://www.eutimes.net/2010/02/single-muslim-mother-of-six-finds-2m-mansion-on-the-net-and-then-gets-you-to-pay-7000-a-month-rent/

Proxy,

"Learning from one another" is a hoot. Thanks for the link The section on science starts, ponderously:

"The exploration and advancement of science has been one of the hallmarks of Muslim civilisation" LOL

Then:

"Devout Muslims see science as a portion of the knowledge that God gave to human beings. This aspect of God’s knowledge is gained through investigation, experimentation and contemplation, which the Quran encourages human beings to embrace."

Except that devout Muslims insist that the koran is scientifically accurate.

The section on English with it's insistence on benign translations for words like "Jihad" exceeds Monty Python at its best.

CJ Morgan

If we're going to teach this stuff we should at least get it right.

Like WHY (yes, WHY) did the "barbaric" Europeans leave those "scientifically inclined" Muslims so far behind when it comes to science and technology? Could it be that the Europeans weren't actually so barbaric and the Muslims weren't scientific?

Now that would be an interesting topic for school kids.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Monday, 5 July 2010 2:45:46 PM
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stevenlmeyer,
I suggest you rinse your mouth out with camel urine after speaking like that about Islam.
Don't you know that Islamic science teaches that camel urine is a curative?
If the perfect man said it, then it must be so.

The story below is illustrative of Islamic science and Mohammed's infinite compassion.
Maybe it should be included in "Learning from One Another"?

"FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH BUKHARI (2)
From Volume 1, #234
1.234: Narrated Abu Qilaba:

Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and
its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to
the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a
medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy,
they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the
camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent
(men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He
then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their
eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron. They were put in 'Al
Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them."
Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became
infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His
Apostle."

This is the sort of stuff we should be teaching our kids.
It's so inclusive and multicultural.
Posted by Proxy, Monday, 5 July 2010 3:42:08 PM
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State schools should be places of learning as well as sanctuaries from the religious tripe kids are often forced to endure in society at large. There is no question but that school chaplaincy is the Trojan horse of evangelism in the State system. Christianity is no longer the passive social presence it used to be for people to take up or not as it pleased them. It is now an aggressive, sectarian and too often fundamentalist phenomenon responding to its secular and reasoning antithesis.
Nor are chaplains in schools any different; the vast majority are zealots in disguise.
So yes, Labour; a secular government has never been more needed.
Posted by Squeers, Monday, 5 July 2010 3:45:05 PM
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McReal..not a bad thought actually.

TOPIC/Article.
WALLLL separation between the religious proselytising ambitions of church recruiters and our children.

Not my children thanks...I absolutely love the idea of them receiving extra spiritual encouragement at their primary or secondary school.
But there is already a 'wall of separation' and it's called 'non compulsory attendance'

If you don't want your children to receive spiritual guidance or information at school..just SAY so and it's a done deal. Methinks you actually have a darker agenda.

Get over yourself secular lobby... and get the real story first.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 5 July 2010 5:03:29 PM
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