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Why Roddick’s s*x shops are a sell out : Comments

By Abigail Bray, published 9/6/2010

The slick ideological con of Coco de Mer: empowerment doesn’t come packaged as a sex toy.

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Runner why are you bringing child sexual abuse into this discussion?

We covered that subject fairly well in the discussions on the abuse children suffered as a result of their involvement with Clergy in the Catholic Church.

Religious people are just as likely to be involved in abuse of children and paedophilia as secularists, just as there are plenty of people from either camp willing to frequent sex shops.
Posted by suzeonline, Thursday, 10 June 2010 9:53:44 PM
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'Religious people are just as likely to be involved in abuse of children and paedophilia as secularists'

and of course Suzie you won't provide any statistics. If you can't see a link between porn and child sexual abuse your moral compass is way way out.
Posted by runner, Friday, 11 June 2010 5:16:47 PM
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While no fan of these shops (just another corporate marketing idea cashing in on the Sex in the City phenomenon), at the end of the day we are talking about adults. Unlike children they can make their own choices, as long as they don't build them near a toy shop or in a shopping plaza that is fine. Where I live all the sex shops/brothels etc are out in the industrial wastelands away from family venues. At the risk of being labelled a wowser (I am getting used to it :D), I prefer sexuality to be a private matter for the most part, a bit like religion - something for the home - but if someone wants to buy a sex related object, I won't lose any sleep.

I am still giggling over the idea of a masturbation mirror - whatever next.

runner

Are you for real?

You ask for evidence. Have we all imagined the child abuse crisis in the Catholic Church and other transgressions by religious cults. You know better than years of historical evidence.

Sexual abuse is a choice made by deviants no matter whether they be religious or otherwise.

"Amoral green voters" as opposed to self righteous religious fanatics who believe there is no good in man unless you are Israeli of course.

I hate to burst your bubble but there is a strong Christian Green movement who actually believe man and his/her environment are closely interconnected, a land created by God not to be raped and pillaged at will by the greedy
Posted by pelican, Friday, 11 June 2010 5:36:37 PM
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runner: << and of course Suzie you won't provide any statistics >>

I don't recall runner ever providing any statistics (or other non-biblical evidence, for that matter) for any of his ridiculous pronouncements.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Friday, 11 June 2010 5:40:02 PM
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Robert

While I understand that you prefer to think the best of people, Severin's nasty little swipe shouldn't go unexamined. Women who conform to the raunch culture fad regularly claim to be interested in women's freedom of choice. In general, they respect certain choices more than others. They are full of affirmation for other women who choose to conduct their sex life like them and can be incredibly nasty to those who don't (for a variety of reasons). Severin's comment about MTR is an example.

Christians are regularly accused of imposing their views onto others. They aren't the only group with quite fixed ideas about which opinions are and aren't acceptable. Try criticising promiscuous women and you will quickly see what I mean.

CJ

1) I never used the phrase 'sell them out' and would prefer that you didn't use quotation marks to imply that I said things that I didn't actually say.

2) Feminism involves a number of (often competing) efforts to make the world a fairer place for women. While I cannot list them all in 300 words or less, I would like to emphasise that it is a matter of principle. Doing what is right should be seen as more important than doing what is easy. Therefore, I'm cynical about companies that use feminism as a marketing ploy and rich consumers who think that integrity can be bought. I'm also unimpressed by women who think that they can do whatever they like, label it 'choice' and pretend that it is something done on account of their deeply held feminist principles. If someone's choices make the world worse for other women, they cannot be justified using feminism. We shouldn't be so non-judgemental that we are afraid to discuss the consequences and contexts of women's choices. Many months ago, I once asked Fractelle what her feminist principles had ever cost her. She was unable to list anything.

Suze

Could you pleases interpret my views more honestly?
Posted by benk, Friday, 11 June 2010 9:30:41 PM
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benk: << 1) I never used the phrase 'sell them out' and would prefer that you didn't use quotation marks to imply that I said things that I didn't actually say. >>

I didn't suggest that you did. However, the author did, and you suggested that I didn't understand the feminist movement because I said I supported it while critiquing the author's thesis.

I'd prefer that you didn't deploy disingenuous arguments. I'm quite sure that I understand feminism at least as well as you do, and very likely from a more well-read perspective.

I agree that << 2)Feminism involves a number of (often competing) efforts to make the world a fairer place for women. >>

However, from what Coco de Mer publish as their "philosophy" on their website, it has stuff all to do with any of that. They're about selling sex toys to people who get all gooey about palm seeds and stamens.

You seem to have missed my point that it's Abigail Bray who's reading feminism into Coco de Mer's marketing. It doesn't seem to appear anywhere in their promotional material.

<< I once asked Fractelle what her feminist principles had ever cost her. She was unable to list anything. >>

What a strange and inappropriately personal question to ask on this forum. What have your principles ever cost you?
Posted by CJ Morgan, Friday, 11 June 2010 10:11:52 PM
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