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Peace in our time, habitat forever? : Comments

By Tim Murray, published 19/3/2010

National parks and wilderness: there is no sanctuary from economic growth.

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<<< Just what argument counters the physical reality of a finite planet? I await with bated breath >>>

Thirded.

The silence is deafening.
Posted by Severin, Saturday, 20 March 2010 10:58:54 AM
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Here you go Severin - population isn't the issue and it's not a case of 'physical constraints'. It's a matter of energy. The earth is not a closed system it's open to energy from the sun (makes plants grow, heating, etc) and the moon and a whole raft of other forces. Life depends on these.

One of the greatest changes in media representation in the last 100 years is the power of the image. And the anti-pops use the image of people eating the earth, much as a picture of a child eating an apple. It's an immature and fanciful image not born out by the facts.

Most of northern America, southern Africa, Europe and SE Asia are covered in food crops. Humans could grow twice as much but the reason they don't is due to supply and demand. We could also feed starving Africa, but strangely, the anti-pops don't seem interested in that.

The reason they're not interested is that they come from a scientific/functionalist paradigm. Frederick Taylor and his theories on scientific management of production lines was probably the best known. They are often anal/passive types. Nasty if they get in to power.

The anti-pops saw that we are food importers therefore we're doomed. We import about $500M per year as we have trade agreements with Latin America and SE Asia. We have to buy their food. Note that Australia exports $27 Billion in food last year. Food we have.

So far as population goes, humans have more than enough food to feed the projected 9 billion people in 2050. I'm more concerned with the population slide after that.

Of course Severin (are you as Masoch fan?), one day we'll run out of iron ore, oil, coal, gas, minerals and imagination. When that day comes you and the anti-pops can stage your coup.
Posted by Cheryl, Saturday, 20 March 2010 4:20:39 PM
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Cheryl,you are an extremely silly person.Go get a face lift or the like.
What is behind the face is beyond educating.
Posted by Manorina, Sunday, 21 March 2010 6:00:31 AM
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Manorina

You were expecting intelligent discourse from someone who describes Nazis as early greenies?

<<< The Nazis actually were early Greenies. They believed that the German people (Volk) sprung from the soil. They had their own conservation movement. There was a mythical association with forests, farms and people who tilled the earth. They ended up putting 6 million people under the earth but so it goes. In fact, the more I think about it, I can see some fantastic parallels between the Unsustainable People movement that Tim belongs to and Himmler's barking mad philosophies.
Posted by Cheryl, Friday, 19 March 2010 10:34:29 AM "
Posted by Severin, Sunday, 21 March 2010 11:14:55 AM
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http://www.ohioswallow.com/book/How+Green+Were+the+Nazis%3F
Posted by Cheryl, Sunday, 21 March 2010 11:41:46 AM
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Can invoke Godwin now? To call the Nazis "greenies" is as disingenuous and plain stupid as calling them "socialists".
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 21 March 2010 2:20:10 PM
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